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Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to appeal for a 2nd grader, who was in the pool with high test scores including HOPE, but didn't get in.
One question - Would including a recommendation letter for the kid from a coach or a teacher (e.g. Piano teacher) add any value to the appeal?

No. They did away with recommendation letters years ago. New Test scores, work samples, and parent letter are how you need to make your case.

I thought you could still submit letters of recommendation. Where did you see this?

they specifically told us not to at the meeting at our school. they don’t want anything from sports or music. they want writing and math samples.

While they definitely want writing and math samples, they show things like "Kid made up his own hieroglyphic system and explained it" at the meeting. Some creativity is allowed. And always have your kid add a couple sentences of explanation on work samples.

yes to this. they just don’t want a picture you drew or a video of you playing an instrument.

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Anonymous wrote:IMHO, also Woodson pyramid, think some parents get a tad too crafty with the work samples they submit for kids that seem unrealistic to panel during review. Talking allegedly student created serious science experiments or essays on how major financial systems work.

Be real about some creative play/construction project your kid did on a rainy Saturday, a joke they told at dinner that legitimately made adults laugh etc.

What does an alleged *serious* science experiment look like, and what do you mean by major financial system system? Also, how do you know this?

I feel like a bright kid could do science experiments on their own; so many kid books include experiments at the end nowadays. I also feel like a basic understanding of banking is not unrealistic either. My own kids have no understanding in this area, but they read a lot, and I could see a kid reading up about banking and getting a basic framework.

Though, I am not in Woodson, so perhaps I lack perspective here...

I know because these parents told me what they submitted for work samples from home, and knowing the kids and general age group it felt ... off. And neither got in.

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Anonymous wrote:High SES school where I know of several in-pool that did not get in. My kid had "always" checked off on all 11 HOPE questions. mix of test results. some 99% another below 90%. Did not get in. Took the WISC-V. Scored 135 (99%tile). Not sure if should appeal.

I would definitely appeal!!!

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What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

99tg percentile

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

Most the test scores are in the 95th percentile

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That's true. Kids with high test scores in 99th percentile are rejected. HOPE scores seem to outweigh test scores. Quite subjective and the whole process is holistic.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

Very few kids with IQs in the 115 range are in AAP. The vast majority of kids will be in the 95th percentile or higher. Some kids who score high on the various assessments are not accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

Very few kids with IQs in the 115 range are in AAP. The vast majority of kids will be in the 95th percentile or higher. Some kids who score high on the various assessments are not accepted.

Evidence for the bolded? (obviously, you have none, since IQ isn't used for AAP admissions).

Realistically speaking, I would agree that the majority of kids in AAP have MAP and NGAT scores in the 95th percentile or higher. Neither of these measure IQ. Kids with involved parents and some level of enrichment will usually have higher achievement scores. Kids who prep for things like CogAT or NGAT will have inflated scores on those. Kids with higher executive function will outperform their IQ at young ages. If they IQ tested every LIV eligible kid, there would be scores all over the place.

The AAP equity report showed that the average NNAT for LIV eligible white kids was 118. This suggests that a decent number were below 115 on that measure (not an IQ test at all, but at least somewhat a proxy). Realistically speaking, AAP takes the top 20% of the kids. Some fraction of those kids are going to be high achieving, motivated, cooperative, creative, organized kids who are solidly above average, but not especially high IQ. That's even moreso the case when you look at Title I schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

It's a behavioral program?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

It's a behavioral program?

Yes, it's not a real gifted program. Look at what HOPE measures. They rely on teacher evaluations instead of IQ scores. It's ludicrous and not defensible.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

It's a behavioral program?

Yes, it's not a real gifted program. Look at what HOPE measures. They rely on teacher evaluations instead of IQ scores. It's ludicrous and not defensible.

So mostly kids with cliquey alpha parents with a few of the smart kids mixed in?
Or super compliant kids who don't rock the boat and are mini adult parrots?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

It's a behavioral program?

Yes, it's not a real gifted program. Look at what HOPE measures. They rely on teacher evaluations instead of IQ scores. It's ludicrous and not defensible.

It’s not designed for the profoundly gifted. It’s an accelerated program. Based on both my kids, it doesn’t seem that the HOPE score had a significant impact. Both kids got in with high test scores (NGAT for one, CogAT for the other and NNAT plus standardized tests for the other), excellent grades, and good work samples. One kid had excellent teacher ratings. Other kid did not. That kid still got in. For some kids, HOPE might be more of a deciding factor but not for all kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the general percentile score that makes people eligible? Eg. Are they looking for 80th percentile or 90th percentile IQ?

They're not really looking for any specific IQ. They're looking for classroom behavior that suggests the kid would do well in AAP. Some kids with an IQ around 115 are admitted. Some with IQ around 140 get rejected.

It's a behavioral program?

Yes, it's not a real gifted program. Look at what HOPE measures. They rely on teacher evaluations instead of IQ scores. It's ludicrous and not defensible.

It’s not designed for the profoundly gifted. It’s an accelerated program. Based on both my kids, it doesn’t seem that the HOPE score had a significant impact. Both kids got in with high test scores (NGAT for one, CogAT for the other and NNAT plus standardized tests for the other), excellent grades, and good work samples. One kid had excellent teacher ratings. Other kid did not. That kid still got in. For some kids, HOPE might be more of a deciding factor but not for all kids.

I meant high NNAT and standardized test scores for both kids. Not the “other”