Rejected from Virginia publics—am I out of line?

[Anonymous]

Yeah those were reach or range stats, not safety stats. Year to year isn't comparable either as scores often go up year over year. She could do some community college courses and try again next year.

Did she have in state safety applications as well? If being in state was necessary she really needed to have some other applications out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:😆😆😆😆 You do realize being white or Asian is both a disadvantage?

OP here.

My husband said exactly this (are you him, ha!) and I’ll tell you what I told him.

If you look at all the data that has been released, it’s clear that Asians are at more of a disadvantage than whites. The magnitude varies, but it’s always greater than whites.

You're Asian, not white. Do you think we're idiots?

OP here. Why would I post this if I was Asian?

Because everybody comes here and lies.

But assuming you're not lying, let me spell it out for you. A 4.1 weighted GPA is low for these schools. And you haven't even mentioned the test scores so I'm betting they were low too. Was she test optional?

There's JMU, VCU, Mary Washington and Mason. If you knew OOS wasn't feasible she should have applied to them. Nobody feels sorry for you if she didn't. Piss poor planning on your part.

But this much is a given: you can change her name to the whitest sounded name in America and she still ain't getting into these schools. Nobody rejected her thinking she's Asian.

This. It's not about race.

4.1 is completely out of range for UVA. DS applied with a 4.2 and I knew he wouldn't get in, was a waste of an application.

4.1 is borderline for W&M, depends on the rest of the pieces and much more likely admit in ED, helps to do an interview. My DD with a 4.0 w/3.7 uw (+high test score) was waitlisted with the Spring -start option but in a less popular major (poli sci is popular at W&M).

VT is very unpredictable and some with a 4.1 will get in but the short essays are very influential.

Solid options at 4.1 are JMU, GMU, VCU, UMW. If she didn't apply to any in-state safeties, and you don't have affordable options, she should do a year at NoVA and reapply (and include a real safety).

[Anonymous]

DID SHE GET IN ANYWHERE???

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Anonymous wrote:4.1 weighted (school does not do UW), maxed out rigor, and involved in activities. Applied as an IR/gov/polisci major to UVA, William and Mary, and Virginia tech and was outright denied by UVA and W&M. VT waitlisted but as far as I know they have no ‘spring waitlist’ program or separate campus like UVA wise you can go to for a year instead.

The only thing I can think of that could be the cause of this is my daughter’s name, which sounds Asian American despite her being Caucasian. Her first name is a name that some people have said is a stereotypical Asian name (think Alice or Christina), and our last name is Lee, which could be either white or Asian Korean.

In our case, it’s white, but people have said in the past when they have seen my daughter’s name but not my daughter (at first meetings, summer camp, etc) that they were expecting an Asian girl based on her name.

My husband thinks I sound like I need to be medicated, but I floated the idea of taking a gap year and changing either my daughter’s first or last name to be more explicitly Caucasian. She was open to it and is very young for her cohort anyway so it wouldn’t make her feel out of place later.

Am I out of line here? I’m not saying that it’s right that there may be a disadvantage for Asian Americans, but I don’t want my daughter to be harmed by any sort of biases.

Did she at least get in some good privates? JHU? Rice? Emory? Vandy? and top liberal arts colleges?

With a 4.1W? No way. Scores are most likely 1150-1350 with that GPA, depending on the high school

OP here.

To answer many questions:
- She did not apply to Case Western.
- The reason I expected better results is because her older brothers had similar stats (and one slightly lower stats) and they both got into their colleges of choice.
- Her SAT score was 710 Verbal, 730 Math, which I thought was right at the median for UVA and William and Mary and above the average for Virginia Tech.

So you know it’s not the name, then. He must have the same last name.

OP here.

They both have very explicitly white names and middle names. Think Tanner for first name Bradley for second name. My daughter not only has the stereotypical first name but no middle name.

OP, she was BORDERLINE at best. A 4.1 does not cut it.

OP here.

It cut it for my sons and for at least one of her friends, so I don’t think that’s entirely true (friend was white but has minority last name).

The schools were more competitive this year. Duh. And now we KNOW you're trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4.1 weighted (school does not do UW), maxed out rigor, and involved in activities. Applied as an IR/gov/polisci major to UVA, William and Mary, and Virginia tech and was outright denied by UVA and W&M. VT waitlisted but as far as I know they have no ‘spring waitlist’ program or separate campus like UVA wise you can go to for a year instead.

The only thing I can think of that could be the cause of this is my daughter’s name, which sounds Asian American despite her being Caucasian. Her first name is a name that some people have said is a stereotypical Asian name (think Alice or Christina), and our last name is Lee, which could be either white or Asian Korean.

In our case, it’s white, but people have said in the past when they have seen my daughter’s name but not my daughter (at first meetings, summer camp, etc) that they were expecting an Asian girl based on her name.

My husband thinks I sound like I need to be medicated, but I floated the idea of taking a gap year and changing either my daughter’s first or last name to be more explicitly Caucasian. She was open to it and is very young for her cohort anyway so it wouldn’t make her feel out of place later.

Am I out of line here? I’m not saying that it’s right that there may be a disadvantage for Asian Americans, but I don’t want my daughter to be harmed by any sort of biases.

Lowest accepted GPA from TJ on the scattergram was 4.18.
Lowest SAT score at this point in the process was 1440

Some might have gotten in off the waitlist with lower stats

The GPA is on the low side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:😆😆😆😆 You do realize being white or Asian is both a disadvantage?

OP here.

My husband said exactly this (are you him, ha!) and I’ll tell you what I told him.

If you look at all the data that has been released, it’s clear that Asians are at more of a disadvantage than whites. The magnitude varies, but it’s always greater than whites.

You're Asian, not white. Do you think we're idiots?

With a 4.1 GPA? White sounds believable.

[Anonymous]

Virginia has other schools?
Why didn’t you have her apply to JMU, CNU or GMU

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Anonymous wrote:4.1 weighted (school does not do UW), maxed out rigor, and involved in activities. Applied as an IR/gov/polisci major to UVA, William and Mary, and Virginia tech and was outright denied by UVA and W&M. VT waitlisted but as far as I know they have no ‘spring waitlist’ program or separate campus like UVA wise you can go to for a year instead.

The only thing I can think of that could be the cause of this is my daughter’s name, which sounds Asian American despite her being Caucasian. Her first name is a name that some people have said is a stereotypical Asian name (think Alice or Christina), and our last name is Lee, which could be either white or Asian Korean.

In our case, it’s white, but people have said in the past when they have seen my daughter’s name but not my daughter (at first meetings, summer camp, etc) that they were expecting an Asian girl based on her name.

My husband thinks I sound like I need to be medicated, but I floated the idea of taking a gap year and changing either my daughter’s first or last name to be more explicitly Caucasian. She was open to it and is very young for her cohort anyway so it wouldn’t make her feel out of place later.

Am I out of line here? I’m not saying that it’s right that there may be a disadvantage for Asian Americans, but I don’t want my daughter to be harmed by any sort of biases.

Did she at least get in some good privates? JHU? Rice? Emory? Vandy? and top liberal arts colleges?

With a 4.1W? No way. Scores are most likely 1150-1350 with that GPA, depending on the high school

OP here.

To answer many questions:
- She did not apply to Case Western.
- The reason I expected better results is because her older brothers had similar stats (and one slightly lower stats) and they both got into their colleges of choice.
- Her SAT score was 710 Verbal, 730 Math, which I thought was right at the median for UVA and William and Mary and above the average for Virginia Tech.

So you know it’s not the name, then. He must have the same last name.

OP here.

They both have very explicitly white names and middle names. Think Tanner for first name Bradley for second name. My daughter not only has the stereotypical first name but no middle name.

OP, she was BORDERLINE at best. A 4.1 does not cut it.

OP here.

It cut it for my sons and for at least one of her friends, so I don’t think that’s entirely true (friend was white but has minority last name).

You cannot compare head to head like this. Years differ, essays, extracurricular, majors, all that can impact whether someone is admitted. Blaming race comes across as out of touch and poor form and absolutely not something you should say to your kid.

Her stats were always going to make a rejection from those 3 schools a very real possibility.

[Anonymous]

In addition to GPA on the lower end, the SAT scores are below the median (not “right at” the median) for those who report scores at UVA and W&M. And the intended majors are heavily oversubscribed at these schools. It’s a tough admit for that profile.

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DID SHE GET IN ANYWHERE???

OP here.

Yes, she did. She is thinking (if no gap year) JMU then possible transfer. She was accepted at JMU.

[Anonymous]

Did she get accepted anywhere that fits your budget?

FWIW, she can still apply to VCU for Fall (it's actually an automatic admit with that GPA). For a political science major there can be benefits to studying in the state capitol.

Or just do NVCC and transfer.

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Anonymous wrote:4.1 weighted (school does not do UW), maxed out rigor, and involved in activities. Applied as an IR/gov/polisci major to UVA, William and Mary, and Virginia tech and was outright denied by UVA and W&M. VT waitlisted but as far as I know they have no ‘spring waitlist’ program or separate campus like UVA wise you can go to for a year instead.

The only thing I can think of that could be the cause of this is my daughter’s name, which sounds Asian American despite her being Caucasian. Her first name is a name that some people have said is a stereotypical Asian name (think Alice or Christina), and our last name is Lee, which could be either white or Asian Korean.

In our case, it’s white, but people have said in the past when they have seen my daughter’s name but not my daughter (at first meetings, summer camp, etc) that they were expecting an Asian girl based on her name.

My husband thinks I sound like I need to be medicated, but I floated the idea of taking a gap year and changing either my daughter’s first or last name to be more explicitly Caucasian. She was open to it and is very young for her cohort anyway so it wouldn’t make her feel out of place later.

Am I out of line here? I’m not saying that it’s right that there may be a disadvantage for Asian Americans, but I don’t want my daughter to be harmed by any sort of biases.

Did she at least get in some good privates? JHU? Rice? Emory? Vandy? and top liberal arts colleges?

With a 4.1W? No way. Scores are most likely 1150-1350 with that GPA, depending on the high school

OP here.

To answer many questions:
- She did not apply to Case Western.
- The reason I expected better results is because her older brothers had similar stats (and one slightly lower stats) and they both got into their colleges of choice.
- Her SAT score was 710 Verbal, 730 Math, which I thought was right at the median for UVA and William and Mary and above the average for Virginia Tech.

So you know it’s not the name, then. He must have the same last name.

OP here.

They both have very explicitly white names and middle names. Think Tanner for first name Bradley for second name. My daughter not only has the stereotypical first name but no middle name.

OP, she was BORDERLINE at best. A 4.1 does not cut it.

OP here.

It cut it for my sons and for at least one of her friends, so I don’t think that’s entirely true (friend was white but has minority last name).

You don’t seem to understand college admissions. Many applicants with stronger stats than your child are still rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:4.1 weighted (school does not do UW), maxed out rigor, and involved in activities. Applied as an IR/gov/polisci major to UVA, William and Mary, and Virginia tech and was outright denied by UVA and W&M. VT waitlisted but as far as I know they have no ‘spring waitlist’ program or separate campus like UVA wise you can go to for a year instead.

The only thing I can think of that could be the cause of this is my daughter’s name, which sounds Asian American despite her being Caucasian. Her first name is a name that some people have said is a stereotypical Asian name (think Alice or Christina), and our last name is Lee, which could be either white or Asian Korean.

In our case, it’s white, but people have said in the past when they have seen my daughter’s name but not my daughter (at first meetings, summer camp, etc) that they were expecting an Asian girl based on her name.

My husband thinks I sound like I need to be medicated, but I floated the idea of taking a gap year and changing either my daughter’s first or last name to be more explicitly Caucasian. She was open to it and is very young for her cohort anyway so it wouldn’t make her feel out of place later.

Am I out of line here? I’m not saying that it’s right that there may be a disadvantage for Asian Americans, but I don’t want my daughter to be harmed by any sort of biases.

Did she at least get in some good privates? JHU? Rice? Emory? Vandy? and top liberal arts colleges?

With a 4.1W? No way. Scores are most likely 1150-1350 with that GPA, depending on the high school

OP here.

To answer many questions:
- She did not apply to Case Western.
- The reason I expected better results is because her older brothers had similar stats (and one slightly lower stats) and they both got into their colleges of choice.
- Her SAT score was 710 Verbal, 730 Math, which I thought was right at the median for UVA and William and Mary and above the average for Virginia Tech.

Did she not apply to any other schools?

[Anonymous]

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DID SHE GET IN ANYWHERE???

OP here.

Yes, she did. She is thinking (if no gap year) JMU then possible transfer. She was accepted at JMU.

So your entire subject line and premise was a lie. She got accepted to a Virginia public. Go away, OP, and get your DD excited about JMU.

[Anonymous]

Our DS was rejected at UVA with a 4.4 and rigorous schedule (per UVa admissions) a 4.1 wasn’t going to cut it OP