Do the Truly Great Ever Raise Kids?

[Anonymous]

There are many wealthy (not my definition of successful, but to some) people who HIRE nannies - say, one for each child. So no, they could not be given the credit of raising their own children. They even have "overnight" nannies to sleep with (literally) four year old twins - yep, I've seen it. Among the wealthy, often the mom shops all day and the nannies "watch" and drive the children. I used to think this was a myth created by haters until I saw it for myself. The parents are so uninvolved with the children, it is difficult to not feel sorry for the children. It seems the parents just want to "buy" the children (multiple IVF's into their 70's in some cases), then pay someone to raise them 24/7. How can the parents take any credit for that? Ick.

I'm not saying all wealthy people do this, obviously, but enough to notice. And enough to be troubling, as our next generation.

[Anonymous]

I am also not talking about the Hillary Clintons or Michelle Obamas who achieved much but reached the heights only through their husbands.

That has more to do with sexism than that they're somehow less qualified to have reached these heights without their husbands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many wealthy (not my definition of successful, but to some) people who HIRE nannies - say, one for each child. So no, they could not be given the credit of raising their own children. They even have "overnight" nannies to sleep with (literally) four year old twins - yep, I've seen it. Among the wealthy, often the mom shops all day and the nannies "watch" and drive the children. I used to think this was a myth created by haters until I saw it for myself. The parents are so uninvolved with the children, it is difficult to not feel sorry for the children. It seems the parents just want to "buy" the children (multiple IVF's into their 70's in some cases), then pay someone to raise them 24/7. How can the parents take any credit for that? Ick.

I'm not saying all wealthy people do this, obviously, but enough to notice. And enough to be troubling, as our next generation.

You are a full blown nut bag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:also the first person to ram legislation through, telling us that we needed to pass healthcare legislation before we were allowed to see what was actually in the legislation.

she is out next month, so I am not worried about it.
throw water on that witch!

Shocking! Was this the first time legislation was ever passed without folks reading it? I thought not. I guess you are part of the "let them eat cake (and die in the street)" crowd.

It's not over till it's over. And even if she is out, I think she is still a great woman and there are many folks in this country who will stop falling through the cracks and dying needlessly because of the lack of insurance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not on the supreme court: (Talking about the female justices here, not the male ones.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23FOB-wwln-t.html

This article has an anti-childless woman tone to it that I really dislike. We don't know all the reasons why some people are childless but it's none of our business. There's no reason to overlook a highly qualified childless woman in favor of one with children. This is another catch-22 for women everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many wealthy (not my definition of successful, but to some) people who HIRE nannies - say, one for each child. So no, they could not be given the credit of raising their own children. They even have "overnight" nannies to sleep with (literally) four year old twins - yep, I've seen it. Among the wealthy, often the mom shops all day and the nannies "watch" and drive the children. I used to think this was a myth created by haters until I saw it for myself. The parents are so uninvolved with the children, it is difficult to not feel sorry for the children. It seems the parents just want to "buy" the children (multiple IVF's into their 70's in some cases), then pay someone to raise them 24/7. How can the parents take any credit for that? Ick.

I'm not saying all wealthy people do this, obviously, but enough to notice. And enough to be troubling, as our next generation.

This is interesting commentary I suppose, but way off topic for this thread. I would not define a woman who "shops all day" as Truly Great, which is the topic at hand.

[Anonymous]

9:39 poster - sounds like you are bitter you are no longer a working mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many wealthy (not my definition of successful, but to some) people who HIRE nannies - say, one for each child. So no, they could not be given the credit of raising their own children. They even have "overnight" nannies to sleep with (literally) four year old twins - yep, I've seen it. Among the wealthy, often the mom shops all day and the nannies "watch" and drive the children. I used to think this was a myth created by haters until I saw it for myself. The parents are so uninvolved with the children, it is difficult to not feel sorry for the children. It seems the parents just want to "buy" the children (multiple IVF's into their 70's in some cases), then pay someone to raise them 24/7. How can the parents take any credit for that? Ick.

I'm not saying all wealthy people do this, obviously, but enough to notice. And enough to be troubling, as our next generation.

The world's oldest IVF mother was 70 and she was in India. You are fabricating this post.

[Anonymous]

Someone mentioned Jennifer Weiner, and it led me to her blog- only a few entries in, but enjoying.

http://jenniferweiner.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone mentioned Jennifer Weiner, and it led me to her blog- only a few entries in, but enjoying.

http://jenniferweiner.blogspot.com/

Yay! I'm the one who posted about JW a few pages ago (back when this thread was still on track . . . before the loonies started weighing in . . . )

She's really funny, and I love the range of topics she discusses. I think she posts less (maybe not at all?) about her children these days because of privacy concerns, but there are still a few gems from time to time, including one about a cross-country flight flight from hell that made me laugh out loud.

[Anonymous]

Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou truly great? No way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou truly great? No way.[/quote

Really? I suppose you've overcome tremendous obstacles in your life while producing great things. Go back to your TPX report, please.

[Anonymous]

My sense of what OP meant by great is CEOs of major companies, top political officials (Madeleine Albright, Nancy Pelosi, even Liddy Dole), or potentially even the mega stars of the entertainment world.

I don't think she was referring just to rich people who hire lots of nannies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there highly intelligent and creative parents out there, serving as the primary caregiver? For sure.
But the highly successful likely don't have the time to devote to primary caregiving.
The highly successful require much time to work and hon their skills; we all know parenting is a full-time job - so there just isn't time for both.

What's interesting to me, however, is how some children grow to respect and honor their [busy, successful] parent(s), and some resent said parent for choosing career over child.

Lots and lots of therapy.

Not always. Letting a child know they are loved and are important works wonders. Just look at the late Diana, Princess of Wales.

[Anonymous]

What the hell is a TPX report?