Getting Rescinded, when to worry, calculus 😬

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Know someone who had to write an essay over the summer to their college to explain a C. The college asked for it. Was not rescinded but the college wanted an explanation/plan for future improvement.

For one C? In senior year? No wonder our kids are nervous wrecks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She will not be rescinded for a C in one class. Or even for a D.

[/b]Depends on the school. [b]DD’s very clearly stated in the offer that a D would be an automatic recision.

Exactly. No one knows what a college will rescind over. OP, talk to your college counselor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think it will be a problem...but I recommend she retakes the class in college to fill in any gaps. My son did this for engineering and was so glad he did. Learned different things in college and had a great foundation to go forward
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+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you for your responses. Her narrative/intended major is not STEM necessarily; she's really undecided but has considered Econ or Biology.

I feel like a C is attainable, but there's likely no way she's able to get a B-. If admissions does inquire, there's no excuse othere than "it's hard!". Maybe they'll appreciate her honesty lol.

Just FYI, my daughter is a math tutor at a WASP school and the Econ major there is really calculus heavy. She’s been helping Econ majors with a ton of calculus up through MV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this situation is not at all uncommon, especially with calc. Life happens, senioritis happens, less-talented calc teachers also sometimes happen.

Rescinding depends on the college, but most privates will be fine with a C. My oldest kid was admitted to a T30 private and got a D second semester calc (personal issues took over life at that point) and never even heard a peep from the college. One of my other kids got a D in second semester calc for failing to turn in any homework and got a letter from his T80 school about on campus help/resources; got a 5 on the exam and started in multivariable in college.

Once a college has admitted and enrolled a student, they really don't want to rescind. It's interesting, because had the same poor grade come prior to admission, it may have been much more significant.

Just try to get it up to a C and then there will be less to worry about. Highly selective schools may want an explanation for a D.

I thought colleges only see the overall grades on the transcript? Your kid likely got a grade better than D on the transcript? My understanding is that a D is considered not passing the class!

PP. You are correct that colleges only see grades on the transcript. I was referring to the final transcript that the college where the kid has enrolled receives in summer, usually by July.

In my area, D is passing. You still get the high school credit. This may be different in different areas, for example D does not provide A-G credit in California. However, for calculus, that's typically a fifth year of high school math and therefore even an F (no credit) would not impact meeting high school graduation requirements.

[Anonymous]

I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

PP. I think it's wise to take multivariable before econometrics. I suspect it would help firm up that knowledge nicely. Even if she hates calc (as many people do), it's just an extra semester. Worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

PP. I think it's wise to take multivariable before econometrics. I suspect it would help firm up that knowledge nicely. Even if she hates calc (as many people do), it's just an extra semester. Worth it.

One step at a time.

Get her grade up to a C in high school
Calc.

Then, if she’s still considering an Econ major in college, take a semester or two of it during first year of college to see what she thinks.

And maybe at the same time, retake first semester Calc at college and see how it goes.

After that, if she’s still considering Econ, take second semester Calc, and again, see how it goes.

That should take her to a year from now, at the earliest - which is the time to start considering sophomore year classes. If Econ is still a potential major, that’s the time for her to dig deeper the curriculum at her particular school and get advice from professors and older students about econometrics and MV calc etc.

Truly NO NEED for OP or their kid to be worried about any of this now. Just focus on the rest of this quarter of HS and get that calc grade up to a C.

One step at a time … no borrowing problems from the future ….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

PP. I think it's wise to take multivariable before econometrics. I suspect it would help firm up that knowledge nicely. Even if she hates calc (as many people do), it's just an extra semester. Worth it.

One step at a time.

Get her grade up to a C in high school
Calc.

Then, if she’s still considering an Econ major in college, take a semester or two of it during first year of college to see what she thinks.

And maybe at the same time, retake first semester Calc at college and see how it goes.

After that, if she’s still considering Econ, take second semester Calc, and again, see how it goes.

That should take her to a year from now, at the earliest - which is the time to start considering sophomore year classes. If Econ is still a potential major, that’s the time for her to dig deeper the curriculum at her particular school and get advice from professors and older students about econometrics and MV calc etc.

Truly NO NEED for OP or their kid to be worried about any of this now. Just focus on the rest of this quarter of HS and get that calc grade up to a C.

One step at a time … no borrowing problems from the future ….

And who is going to PAY for this - semester after semester of see what she thinks, see how it goes, and again see how it goes approach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

PP. I think it's wise to take multivariable before econometrics. I suspect it would help firm up that knowledge nicely. Even if she hates calc (as many people do), it's just an extra semester. Worth it.

One step at a time.

Get her grade up to a C in high school
Calc.

Then, if she’s still considering an Econ major in college, take a semester or two of it during first year of college to see what she thinks.

And maybe at the same time, retake first semester Calc at college and see how it goes.

After that, if she’s still considering Econ, take second semester Calc, and again, see how it goes.

That should take her to a year from now, at the earliest - which is the time to start considering sophomore year classes. If Econ is still a potential major, that’s the time for her to dig deeper the curriculum at her particular school and get advice from professors and older students about econometrics and MV calc etc.

Truly NO NEED for OP or their kid to be worried about any of this now. Just focus on the rest of this quarter of HS and get that calc grade up to a C.

One step at a time … no borrowing problems from the future ….

And who is going to PAY for this - semester after semester of see what she thinks, see how it goes, and again see how it goes approach?

DP. I agree with the PP. This is the way. There is time in college to figure this out. She doesn't need four years of college all planned out as a high school senior.

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universities are happy to ED enroll full-pay students who maybe aren’t the strongest academically, but guarantee years of tuition revenue, knowing well only the wealthier families have this kind of flexibility to give their dear one. Taking extra time, trying out different majors, switching paths, all while the full-tuition clock keeps running for at least six years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not let difficulty with AP calc impact deciding on an econ major. Yes, calc is important for econometrics, but truly, (1) experiences with calc in high school do not necessarily spell doom for calc in college and (2) one can take econometrics in college even with weak calc foundation and go on to do something else with their econ degree. Just because quant stuff and phD candidates need calc doesn't mean every econ major everywhere is doomed without loving, and excelling at, calc.

She should continue to work at learning calc with a tutor. She'll get her major figured out in college. There is no reason to decide that right now.

PP. I think it's wise to take multivariable before econometrics. I suspect it would help firm up that knowledge nicely. Even if she hates calc (as many people do), it's just an extra semester. Worth it.

One step at a time.

Get her grade up to a C in high school
Calc.

Then, if she’s still considering an Econ major in college, take a semester or two of it during first year of college to see what she thinks.

And maybe at the same time, retake first semester Calc at college and see how it goes.

After that, if she’s still considering Econ, take second semester Calc, and again, see how it goes.

That should take her to a year from now, at the earliest - which is the time to start considering sophomore year classes. If Econ is still a potential major, that’s the time for her to dig deeper the curriculum at her particular school and get advice from professors and older students about econometrics and MV calc etc.

Truly NO NEED for OP or their kid to be worried about any of this now. Just focus on the rest of this quarter of HS and get that calc grade up to a C.

One step at a time … no borrowing problems from the future ….

And who is going to PAY for this - semester after semester of see what she thinks, see how it goes, and again see how it goes approach?

What do you mean? College take 8-10 classes per year.

So if first year she takes a class or two in Calc and econ - along with a class or two in biology or whatever else she’s considering as a major - that’s great.

The goal is (a) to get to second semester sophomore year with a clear plan for your major, grounded in reality - which means they have taken the prerequisites, know the path they’ll take within the major junior and senior year, and some career goals for after graduation; and (b) have tried and eliminated other things they had been considering OR have figured out a path to double-major.

Tl;dr - Kids take get 8-10 classes per year in college. Not every single one of them needs to fit their major. In fact, many schools have distribution requirements, in part to force kids to explore. It’s not either/or. It’s both/and.



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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think it will be a problem...but I recommend she retakes the class in college to fill in any gaps. My son did this for engineering and was so glad he did. Learned different things in college and had a great foundation to go forward
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She will have to take calc in college for sure.

[Anonymous]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but if your child is currently getting an F I don’t think she’s trying her hardest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you for your responses. Her narrative/intended major is not STEM necessarily; she's really undecided but has considered Econ or Biology.

I feel like a C is attainable, but there's likely no way she's able to get a B-. If admissions does inquire, there's no excuse othere than "it's hard!". Maybe they'll appreciate her honesty lol.

I also don't think your kid will be rescinded, but be aware that econ involves a lot of math and if she's having a hard time with calculus, she may struggle.