Trump Admin Wants Italy, Austria, Hungary, Poland to Leave EU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair I think the EU even wants Hungary to leave. The others are fine though.

+1 Hungary should leave. They are more in line with Russia than France. I think the EU would be happy for them to leave.

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Interesting how you pick and choose. In its current state, the EU should be disbanded because while the "in group" is afforded benefits and protections, it arbitrarily leaves out a handful of peripheral states that creates a natural destabilizing area for Russians to try to gain influence. Either the EU should constrict and go back to the original 6 countries or the expanded 14 countries, or it should include all the European countries up to the borders of Russia, Belarus, and Turkey.

If the EU is constricted, it will allow enough states in central Europe to be strong enough to form their own economic and security bloc. Otherwise the 10 or so remaining countries will always be too weak to fend off economic or military aggression from either the EU or Russia, and will always be a small powers zone of conflict.

Where do you get 10 countries from? Assume you’re not including the candidate countries.

Why do you think leaving countries out is arbitrary?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the Trump administration is actively trying to destabilize the world. Got it.

How is the EU stabilizing the world?

Koolaid drinker right here ^^

Not the pp but... Curious to hear your take. Make a list please with historical time frames. You don't even need to explain much since I can do that. Too many people shoot down other people without anything to back it up. Without any knowledge of history or geopolitics. PP was asking a question about explaining another claim that had no explanation. Maybe (or not) it was a troll question but valid nonetheless in this context.

So explain one of these two things (which are the two claims):

- "So the Trump administration is actively trying to destabilize the world. Got it"
- "Koolaid drinker right here"

Not the PP you are responding to but how is this stuff not obvious to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Trump administration is actively trying to destabilize the world. Got it.

How is the EU stabilizing the world?

Koolaid drinker right here ^^

Not the pp but... Curious to hear your take. Make a list please with historical time frames. You don't even need to explain much since I can do that. Too many people shoot down other people without anything to back it up. Without any knowledge of history or geopolitics. PP was asking a question about explaining another claim that had no explanation. Maybe (or not) it was a troll question but valid nonetheless in this context.

So explain one of these two things (which are the two claims):

- "So the Trump administration is actively trying to destabilize the world. Got it"
- "Koolaid drinker right here"

Not the PP you are responding to but how is this stuff not obvious to you?

Literally two consecutive replies without any added info. Stop asking questions if you're not going to provide any answers. DO you not understand what "Curious to hear your take" means?

[Anonymous]

I think the inclusion of Poland is interesting. They have been ramping up to defend against a Russian invasion for years. They spend well north of 5 percent of GDP on defense. Poland is probably the strongest country in Europe besides Ukraine at this point.

Hungary is a traitorous country. And to hell with Hungarians for their choices. Scummy people in a scummy country,

No one cares about Austria today. But Italy has a GNP that's larger than Russia. But Italians are useless when it comes to military defense. Absolutely meaningless country in the modern world.

Poland is the key, and everything else is noise.

Europe really needs to get it together now. Times have changed. The US is not an ally. And they have Russia in imperial invasion mode to deal with. Can Europe defend itself these days?

[Anonymous]

Italy has required servic in the military. Why are they so bad? And why are they and the others on this list being Christian countries. I don't get it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the inclusion of Poland is interesting. They have been ramping up to defend against a Russian invasion for years. They spend well north of 5 percent of GDP on defense. Poland is probably the strongest country in Europe besides Ukraine at this point.

Hungary is a traitorous country. And to hell with Hungarians for their choices. Scummy people in a scummy country,

No one cares about Austria today. But Italy has a GNP that's larger than Russia. But Italians are useless when it comes to military defense. Absolutely meaningless country in the modern world.

Poland is the key, and everything else is noise.

Europe really needs to get it together now. Times have changed. The US is not an ally. And they have Russia in imperial invasion mode to deal with. Can Europe defend itself these days?

Without the security guarantees of the US along with their defense funding, NATO may very well devolve into what happened to SEATO. Despite what the ECM, EC, and later the EU have pretended to be, there is no such thing as a "European." There is no loyalty among the European tribes. There are no natural allies except perhaps the Nordic countries. The only real other natural ally for any European country is England with America, because of shared history. That's the sad truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Italy has required servic in the military. Why are they so bad? And why are they and the others on this list being Christian countries. I don't get it

Christianity has nothing to do with anything here. But it is very true that some western countries are parasitical countries today - Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, and Canada being the worst.

And what that means is they rely on others to defend them while they contribute effectively nothing to any kind of collective defense. And reality is here on the doorstep.

But Dolce Vita forever, right? Because the troubles are still some kilometers away.

[Anonymous]

Are people confusing the EU and NATO? NATO is a defence treaty. The EU is an economic and political grouping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people confusing the EU and NATO? NATO is a defence treaty. The EU is an economic and political grouping.

The EU can only exist because of NATO. Some form of NATO can exist without the EU. Because of American hegemony along with common "enemies," be they real or manufactured. The EU needs constant destabilization along its borders in order to keep the attention of America's ADHD foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are people confusing the EU and NATO? NATO is a defence treaty. The EU is an economic and political grouping.

The EU can only exist because of NATO. Some form of NATO can exist without the EU. Because of American hegemony along with common "enemies," be they real or manufactured. The EU needs constant destabilization along its borders in order to keep the attention of America's ADHD foreign policy.

It’s the 2 trillion in trade and 22 trillion $ GDP that keep the US interested in the EU. What keeps you interested in Russia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy has required servic in the military. Why are they so bad? And why are they and the others on this list being Christian countries. I don't get it

Christianity has nothing to do with anything here. But it is very true that some western countries are parasitical countries today - Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, and Canada being the worst.

And what that means is they rely on others to defend them while they contribute effectively nothing to any kind of collective defense. And reality is here on the doorstep.

But Dolce Vita forever, right? Because the troubles are still some kilometers away.

Who is Canada defending itself against? We all know the obvious answer. But seriously.

[Anonymous]

Why would those countries want to leave the EU? Brexit clearly demonstrated the economic impact of withdrawal and it would be far worse for those countries as they are part of the monetary union. Poland sells 75% of its exports to the EU and 4% to the US. It is intermeshed in the supply chain of German manufacturers. Its citizens have freedom of movement and the right to work throughout the EU. What does the current US administration offer except a knife in the back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people confusing the EU and NATO? NATO is a defence treaty. The EU is an economic and political grouping.

The EU can only exist because of NATO. Some form of NATO can exist without the EU. Because of American hegemony along with common "enemies," be they real or manufactured. The EU needs constant destabilization along its borders in order to keep the attention of America's ADHD foreign policy.

It’s the 2 trillion in trade and 22 trillion $ GDP that keep the US interested in the EU. What keeps you interested in Russia?

Rhetorical question: Are you a moron?

Based upon your reply to PP, where does Russia, as you think it does, come into this equation? Russia is only interesting because the EU has always been too weak to bury it once and for all. Are you an Israeli shill? Or an Indian troll?

If NATO and geopolitics weren't in play, America would have kept its historical alliances with the UK and France and pivoted almost completely to Asia already. Unfortunately, there is no economic future in Europe except as an export market and tourist destination. Energy, technology, agriculture, natural resources, culture, and cuisine can (and is) all be currently imported from elsewhere.

In fact, because of Europe and Israel, it can be argued that America has not been able to keep an eye on and pursue a technological arms race with China, which will be a major source of discontent in the near future.

Ill be waiting for the future US president who gives the equivalent of JFK's "We choose to go to the Moon" speech. Only this time it'll be about catching up to China.

[Anonymous]

I want to allow with European Christians including Catholic nations like Poland. The EU is a secular force and should be starved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to allow with European Christians including Catholic nations like Poland. The EU is a secular force and should be starved.

Go find a theocracy and leave the US to be a free country.