LAC Biology Pre Med

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

Publications are completely unnecessary for medical school including all of the top ones. Ivy size R1s with Medical schools are staffing their labs with graduate students not undergraduates.

BS. Undergrads are in many labs at ivies as well as Hopkins and Duke--along with grads--they have undergrad research spots, often paid, and take them as freshmen. The premeds who have gotten in to columbia, harvard, stanford, ucsf last cycle had publications. Two of those schools have already started accepting this cycle and sure enough it is the research-heavy kids who got the early admits. It may not be needed for premed but it is done commonly from top undergrads and highly valued by top schools. DCUM always has those parents who swear there cannot be opportunities at top schools that are better than LACs. There are huge undergrad benefits to being on a research campus!

[Anonymous]

Has your DC toured any LACs? I would start there, they may end up really liking them and then you can pull together a list of reach/target/safeties. Also tour some mid-sized schools to compare, Tufts, Brandeis, Rice, etc. But also tour a couple flagships, and encourage your kid to find ways to make them feel smaller- honors college, a club sport that’s tightly knit, identity based housing options, etc. They might end up being just fine at a larger school, you never know. Kids thrive academically where they’re happy.

[Anonymous]

Maybe this will help. Graduates of Swarthmore, Amherst, Carleton, Vassar, Middlebury, etc. all have very high rates of acceptance to medical schools.

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-medical-school

[Anonymous]

Holy Cross has an 80% med school acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy Cross has an 80% med school acceptance rate.

Quite low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this will help. Graduates of Swarthmore, Amherst, Carleton, Vassar, Middlebury, etc. all have very high rates of acceptance to medical schools.

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-medical-school

Why did you choose to include some colleges and not others? This seems disingenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

Publications are completely unnecessary for medical school including all of the top ones. Ivy size R1s with Medical schools are staffing their labs with graduate students not undergraduates.

BS. Undergrads are in many labs at ivies as well as Hopkins and Duke--along with grads--they have undergrad research spots, often paid, and take them as freshmen. The premeds who have gotten in to columbia, harvard, stanford, ucsf last cycle had publications. Two of those schools have already started accepting this cycle and sure enough it is the research-heavy kids who got the early admits. It may not be needed for premed but it is done commonly from top undergrads and highly valued by top schools. DCUM always has those parents who swear there cannot be opportunities at top schools that are better than LACs. There are huge undergrad benefits to being on a research campus!

It's impressive how much people make up random facts. You don't need publications, unless you're going for MD/PhD, which is a completely different ballgame.

[Anonymous]

Holy Cross is top 10 easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy Cross is top 10 easily.

no it isn't. There's no one who agrees with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy Cross has an 80% med school acceptance rate.

Holy Cross will not write a committee letter for students about whom it is hesitant, which discourages these students from applying to medical school. This policy inflates Holy Cross' medical school acceptance rate in relation to colleges with more inclusive policies.

[Anonymous]

How would you know that? But HC’s medical grads are top shelf-facts matter!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would you know that? But HC’s medical grads are top shelf-facts matter!

Then show the facts-how are they top shelf?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would you know that? But HC’s medical grads are top shelf-facts matter!

5 second google search and know nothing about Holy Cross: https://www.holycross.edu/document/hpa-comittee-checklist
"Reviewed Previously by the HPA Committee" makes it clear you can be rejected.

As an additional resource, the Health Professions Advising Committee evaluates and provides support for potential medical, dental, optometry, podiatry, and veterinary school applicants. Before applying to one of these programs, a student applicant is evaluated by the Health Professions Advising Committee. Based on this evaluation, the committee writes a composite letter of recommendation to be sent to these health professional schools.

Students wishing to apply to medical, dental, optometry and veterinary (and most health professions) schools must begin the application process almost two years before intended matriculation. While applicants do not have to be evaluated or recommended by the committee, we believe doing so has substantial benefits. If an applicant does decide to apply without the committee's recommendation, we are still happy to provide advice and forward your recommendation letters to medical schools.

To be evaluated by the committee, applicants must request a committee advisor in early October and work with their advisor to submit materials by mid-February, two academic years before intended matriculation. See the Health Professions Advising page on Ignite for more details. See the Health Professions Advising page on Ignite for more details.

Stick to the facts.

[Anonymous]

Agree HC is a fantastic pre-med pipeline. Wonderful school can’t go wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree HC is a fantastic pre-med pipeline. Wonderful school can’t go wrong.

same poster, without facts, and a liar.