LAC Biology Pre Med

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Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless you post GPA, SAT, home state, etc., it's going to be impossible for people to give recommendations.

In MD. At a private day school. No weighted GPA. 3.76. 33 ACT. Have no knowledge of Liberal Arts other than a few pals who went to Colorado College over 25 years ago.

With that uw GPA, what were the Bs in? If they are stem that is not a likely path to successful premed
What are the AP stem courses and scores?

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It feels like people here don’t listen to OP ever and just insist that everyone throw their kids into W&M. It’s a bit ridiculous, because often the advice doesn’t land and they make outlandish claims to just admit they want op to apply to W&M

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

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Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

Completely agree.

My kid is premed at Middlebury and research opportunities are plentiful. They were asked if they wanted to do paid research after their freshman year.

Advising is top notch with a former practicing MD as a key counselor. Clinical hours are easy to get at the hospital off campus. Top SLACs have among the highest matriculation rates because the preparation is first class.

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Pomona and Carleton would both be very strong for this.

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Regarding biology research, this site may offer you ideas for colleges to check out based on their lab facilities:
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Wellesley, Holy Cross, and Tufts have great pre-med.

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Holy Cross

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

I didn’t ask for your grammar lesson, so respectfully bugger off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

Publications? Are you suddenly talking about graduate admissions? Also this just isn’t true- the reasons you’ll get published as an undergrad at an ivy is because you’ll be a nonexistent author on a team of successful grad students and postdocs- highly ranked schools have the highest graduate school classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

Publications are completely unnecessary for medical school including all of the top ones. Ivy size R1s with Medical schools are staffing their labs with graduate students not undergraduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wellesley, Holy Cross, and Tufts have great pre-med.

I wish gender were disclosed more often in the original post in topics such as this. In this case, I don't believe we know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC wants Bio, Pre Med. They are obsessed with flagship schools. They are to big. What LACs have best pre-med pipline for bio and research opportunities as an undergraduate?

If you do not want the size of a flagship but you do want the most research spots relative to undergrad population, you want ivy/mid-size R1 privates, or William and Mary which is newly R1 and makes the cut due to size. Within that group, if you want the best premed programs as far as support of premed applicants, no gatekeeping, and ease of access to premed clinical hours, you want all of the ones with affiliated med schools.

LACs do not have many stem research spots for undergrads, but if that is the right size you will need the top ones: any of the T13 LACS, count up their stem faculty and do the math. LACs also do not have affiliated med schools: it can be harder to get clinical hours on campus, though the top ones remain capable of sending many to med school, they have a higher % gap year than the ivy+ schools

Complete nonsense. There’s a ton of research spots. DD is a bio major at Williams and in 2 labs, both of which have more than 9 students in their labs. Some students stay funded during the summer, but a few will go to Harvard, Princeton, etc. for summer research opportunities. These schools have very high med school matriculation rates for a reason.

Sure they have less research spots than a university, but they also have less students in general. The gap year is becoming recommended by advisors for mental health. If a kid wants to bulldoze through straight K-MD that’s fine, but it can help your application to take 1 year off and actually do something else.

The correct word is Fewer. It is better chance of pubs not to be in a lab with 8 other undergrads. Pick an ivy size R1 with a med school.

Publications? Are you suddenly talking about graduate admissions? Also this just isn’t true- the reasons you’ll get published as an undergrad at an ivy is because you’ll be a nonexistent author on a team of successful grad students and postdocs- highly ranked schools have the highest graduate school classes.

You do not have a kid at an ivy. Undergrads are welcomed by grad students and professors are clear to grad students what is expected, save a few bad labs the majority are great environments to get published.
Multiple kids' friends and mine have a first author papers in progress or have already published at least as second author at ivy. For premeds targeting top-10 med schools as well as all phD-bound stem kids, they encourage undergrads to have at least one first or second author publication. The school is aware that undergrads need pubs but they do not hand them out, these kids work during the semester 10-15 hrs a week outside of class for year or more before getting to that level. They often start doing data as freshman and sophomores but they move into individual projects with time. I do not think you realize how common publications are for top-quarter undergrads coming out of ivy/MIT/stanford. There are so many professors and grad students who want undergrads and understand that means in time the undergrad will have individual projects.