can someone explain biobanding like I am a third grader?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Yeah, you should have read the entire posts. Europe does biobanding with more strategy. US doesn't. Why Europe has more results with late bloomers. Although it is still a big problem is Europe as well. Harry Kane was released by Arsenal at 11 for being undersized. Gareth Bale was almost released from Southampton because of his size and the medical staff intervened and said he was in a growth spurt and he stayed. Europe just understands RAE in football more than we do.

The main point is, if you're getting bio banded in the US it isn't a good thing. If you think so, you genuinely don't know how the system works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Says the dad with a biobanded kid...it's ok.

[Anonymous]

Can someone actually answer OPs question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Yeah, you should have read the entire posts. Europe does biobanding with more strategy. US doesn't. Why Europe has more results with late bloomers. Although it is still a big problem is Europe as well. Harry Kane was released by Arsenal at 11 for being undersized. Gareth Bale was almost released from Southampton because of his size and the medical staff intervened and said he was in a growth spurt and he stayed. Europe just understands RAE in football more than we do.

The main point is, if you're getting bio banded in the US it isn't a good thing. If you think so, you genuinely don't know how the system works.

The examples you cited are biobanding players in an Europen professional club's Academy team setting and they are at the young age. But in US, it is P2P MLSN clubs that abuse biobanding and I see some U17/U18 players still play down in the younger group just because they are short. Most players in a P2P MLSN clubs can not even play D1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone actually answer OPs question?

My suggestion is to find his own age group team where he can be challenged and be able to play. If he can join a MLSN Academy team by doing biobanding, that is a different story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone actually answer OPs question?

My suggestion is to find his own age group team where he can be challenged and be able to play. If he can join a MLSN Academy team by doing biobanding, that is a different story.

I mean the REAL MLSN Academy team. The current MLSN "Academy" division is a low-class marketing scam. They should just call it MLSN2 or be more straightforward MLSN B league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what DMV MLSNext teams are biobanding?

Every MLSNext teams have bio banded kids in almost all age groups.

there is a 5'6" 13 yo playing down on my son's team and not sure how 5'6" at 13 is an undersized late bloomer but ok I guess. whatever it takes to win. yes I am bitter and no he wasn't 4'10 at beginning of season and had some kind og miraculous 8 inch spurt causing him to have sized out of biobanding. its a jok

[Anonymous]

This discussion is interesting to me. I had never heard of this concept. I am the mom of a DS8 who, I think, would be a candidate for biobanding. Right now he plays on a Select team and is a 2017 player, "playing up" on the 2016 team. He is the smallest on his team but he is a starter and has some skills and speed, in addition to being a lefty. We are fairly certain that he is going to be a "late bloomer." I have no idea if he is going to stick with soccer as he plays a couple of sports but, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like "biobanding" is meant to help a kid like my DS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Says the dad with a biobanded kid...it's ok.

We accept people red shirting and holding back kids from starting elementary school to gain an advantage, premeditated

We frown on late developers playing with their maturation age

As done in Europe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Yeah, you should have read the entire posts. Europe does biobanding with more strategy. US doesn't. Why Europe has more results with late bloomers. Although it is still a big problem is Europe as well. Harry Kane was released by Arsenal at 11 for being undersized. Gareth Bale was almost released from Southampton because of his size and the medical staff intervened and said he was in a growth spurt and he stayed. Europe just understands RAE in football more than we do.

The main point is, if you're getting bio banded in the US it isn't a good thing. If you think so, you genuinely don't know how the system works.

Why is a late physical developer in MLS Next born on Dec 30th 2010 playing with 2011s where most are bigger than him a bad thing?

[Anonymous]

Does it really take that much intelligence to realize a player born Jan 3rd 2013 is basically a year older than one born Dec 29th 2013?

If the Jan player is an early developer and the Dec is average or late developer, make that maturation age difference even more than a year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what DMV MLSNext teams are biobanding?

Every MLSNext teams have bio banded kids in almost all age groups.

there is a 5'6" 13 yo playing down on my son's team and not sure how 5'6" at 13 is an undersized late bloomer but ok I guess. whatever it takes to win. yes I am bitter and no he wasn't 4'10 at beginning of season and had some kind og miraculous 8 inch spurt causing him to have sized out of biobanding. its a jok

I mean if a biobanded kid threatens your kid’s place on the team, then perhaps consider whether your kid is good enough for an MLSNext team?

Maybe it’s team specific. But even the regular starters on my DS MLSNext team don’t ever think their starting slot or time is secure. And that anyone (current teammate, second team player, outsider, etc.) can be better or can get better. They’ve seen it happen a few times on their team and other teams so no one considers biobanded kids any different from any other player threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Says the dad with a biobanded kid...it's ok.

We accept people red shirting and holding back kids from starting elementary school to gain an advantage, premeditated

We frown on late developers playing with their maturation age

As done in Europe

No, we frown upon the US system which bio bands kids for purposes other than development..winning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what DMV MLSNext teams are biobanding?

Every MLSNext teams have bio banded kids in almost all age groups.

there is a 5'6" 13 yo playing down on my son's team and not sure how 5'6" at 13 is an undersized late bloomer but ok I guess. whatever it takes to win. yes I am bitter and no he wasn't 4'10 at beginning of season and had some kind og miraculous 8 inch spurt causing him to have sized out of biobanding. its a jok

I mean if a biobanded kid threatens your kid’s place on the team, then perhaps consider whether your kid is good enough for an MLSNext team?

Maybe it’s team specific. But even the regular starters on my DS MLSNext team don’t ever think their starting slot or time is secure. And that anyone (current teammate, second team player, outsider, etc.) can be better or can get better. They’ve seen it happen a few times on their team and other teams so no one considers biobanded kids any different from any other player threat.

enough with the tough guy bs. this situation defeats the purpose of bio-banding and is done by clubs purely for a competitive advantage. it is absolutely legitimate to complain about it. it is nonsense that if you are against age-cheating it's because you are afraid your kid can't compete. size and speed matters. That's why there's a bio-banding rule in the first place. That's why there are age groups in the first place. MLS Nest players face plenty of early developing big and fast players, and there's no excuse, or gain, by adding older big and fast players to younger groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is this...you rarely see truly top players getting bio banded. Either here or in Europe. Smaller players who are really gifted can find solutions against older and bigger players. Just look at Messi. He was the smallest player on the pitch for almost his entire career. You don't need to be a monster size wise to be good at soccer. You just don't. But you need some other x factor to succeed. That could be quickness, speed, power, vision, speed of thought, but it has to be something else. Because if you're small AND you have no x factor, you literally have no chance. Just like big and fast kids with no techbical.ability have no chance

. The problem in the US is that there is such an emphasis on winning and not actually playing good soccer to win (ie trying to possess the ball) that size is at a premium because you don't need to teach size. You have to teach a small player how to beat bigger players. That takes real knowledge and real development. We don't have the coaches or the knowledge in this country to do that on a mass scale. Biobanding gives our system an easy out. Hey just put those smaller kids an age down and call it we are doing the same thing Europe does..but the big difference is that Europe is actually using biobanding to develop kids. European clubs make calculations as to what a players physical potential will be and they try to maximize that potential. Because a lot of small kids without potential get kicked out of the system in Europe...FAST. in the US, biobanding is just a way to make parents happy and keep more kids and money in the ecosystem.

if you're getting bio banded in the US system it is a big red flag for your future as a top player. It has very little to do with your actual development. Given the emphasis on size and speed in the US, the system is already telling the player that it doesn't believe in their potential. Biobanding is just a way for us soccer to allow pay to play clubs to appease as many parents as possible and keep the peace with respect to the fees they are able to retain. And greedy clubs use biobanding the wrong way as we can clearly see from other posts here. Biobanding, as it is implemented in the US is bad for players.

Since your first sentence is a misinformed lie, no need to read the rest

Many top current and former players in Europe benefited from biobanding because they believe in the science of relative age effect

Yeah, you should have read the entire posts. Europe does biobanding with more strategy. US doesn't. Why Europe has more results with late bloomers. Although it is still a big problem is Europe as well. Harry Kane was released by Arsenal at 11 for being undersized. Gareth Bale was almost released from Southampton because of his size and the medical staff intervened and said he was in a growth spurt and he stayed. Europe just understands RAE in football more than we do.

The main point is, if you're getting bio banded in the US it isn't a good thing. If you think so, you genuinely don't know how the system works.

The examples you cited are biobanding players in an Europen professional club's Academy team setting and they are at the young age. But in US, it is P2P MLSN clubs that abuse biobanding and I see some U17/U18 players still play down in the younger group just because they are short. Most players in a P2P MLSN clubs can not even play D1.

I agree.