VP of the US is fine with jokes about rape

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally think he is toying with us, no different than his Haitian refugee comments

Is that a good thing? Does toying with us make Vance ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The boys will be boys” because the boys are white is nauseating.

Never forget he said this.

—mom of white 20-something boys

At this point I don’t blame young women for forgoing marriage and focusing on their careers. These young men are terrifying.

+1

- mom of DS and DD

Me neither.

- mom of three sons (ages 16, 18, 20) who are disgusted by this crap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally think he is toying with us, no different than his Haitian refugee comments

Just what you want from someone two cheeseburgers and a heartbeat away from the Presidency— Ammirite?

[Anonymous]

I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

The biggest problem I see is that these revelations keep PROVING that behind the curtain, MAGA is indeed chock full of nazi and racist rhetoric thoughts and ideas. There's no longer any denying that. The only question is, what are the good and decent people of America going to do about it? They can't keep supporting these horrible kinds of ideas, nor can they keep giving a platform to them, much less keep electing them to office.

Further, "backlash to wokeism" turns out to also prove that there was in fact some merit to being woke. Being woke was originally about being vigilant about racism and trying to stop it in its tracks. Being anti-woke as we can clearly see is about promoting racism. The backlash to wokeism seem to now be even worse than wokeism was in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

The thing is, PP, that they're not actually THAT young. Most are late 20s or in their 30s. I copied this from the "But don't call them racist!" thread so you can see their ages:

Name and ages of the "kids" in the young republican group chat
- Peter Giunta, 31
- Joe Maligno, 35
- Annie Kaykaty, 28
- Alex Dwyer, 29
- William Hendrix, 24
- Luke Mosiman, 24
- Samuel Douglass, 27
- Rachel Hope, 27

They really should know better/act better in this age range.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

+1
The apologist nature of that PP was off the charts. I'm sure he reaaaalllllly meant it this way. No. They meant what they said, and it's as abhorrent as it reads, and no, people don't magically mature out of that. At my most immature, I would never say the kinds of things those "kids" said. JFC, stop apologizing or excusing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

Look. And some of your people gloated about Charlie Kirk and joked about the assassination attempts on Trump. People say disgusting things. I don't think I have to shift my positions on things like crime and taxes because I disagree with some Young Republicans about racially charged comments that have nothing to do with policy. I wouldn't expect you to change your mind on abortion because Charlie Kirk was shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

Look. And some of your people gloated about Charlie Kirk and joked about the assassination attempts on Trump. People say disgusting things. I don't think I have to shift my positions on things like crime and taxes because I disagree with some Young Republicans about racially charged comments that have nothing to do with policy. I wouldn't expect you to change your mind on abortion because Charlie Kirk was shot.

Sure, sure. Just don’t gaslight us about how it’s a developmental phase they’ll grow out of. These are the future leaders of your party. Some already elected. So it’s a little different than a DCUM rando not crying fake tears when Kirk was shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

Look. And some of your people gloated about Charlie Kirk and joked about the assassination attempts on Trump. People say disgusting things. I don't think I have to shift my positions on things like crime and taxes because I disagree with some Young Republicans about racially charged comments that have nothing to do with policy. I wouldn't expect you to change your mind on abortion because Charlie Kirk was shot.

The different reaction of our VP to vehemently condemn abhorrent speech in the left, but not the right is a "policy decision" as far as I am concerned. This is not a leader who seeks to unite the American people against what all should see as reprehensible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

Look. And some of your people gloated about Charlie Kirk and joked about the assassination attempts on Trump. People say disgusting things. I don't think I have to shift my positions on things like crime and taxes because I disagree with some Young Republicans about racially charged comments that have nothing to do with policy. I wouldn't expect you to change your mind on abortion because Charlie Kirk was shot.

Kind of blown away by the mental gymnastics here to blame the young republican’s racism on the left. Then to bring up Charlie Kirk, when the texts literally harkened back to his statements.

“If your pilot is a she and she looks ten shades darker than someone from Sicily, just end it there. Scream the no no word,” Giunta wrote.

Hmm, I wonder where Giunta got this idea from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

Look. And some of your people gloated about Charlie Kirk and joked about the assassination attempts on Trump. People say disgusting things. I don't think I have to shift my positions on things like crime and taxes because I disagree with some Young Republicans about racially charged comments that have nothing to do with policy. I wouldn't expect you to change your mind on abortion because Charlie Kirk was shot.

Kind of blown away by the mental gymnastics here to blame the young republican’s racism on the left. Then to bring up Charlie Kirk, when the texts literally harkened back to his statements.

“If your pilot is a she and she looks ten shades darker than someone from Sicily, just end it there. Scream the no no word,” Giunta wrote.

Hmm, I wonder where Giunta got this idea from?

Oh, the irony that Giunta, who mentions Sicilians, is likely of Italian origin since it is an Italian surname. Not so long ago Italians in the US would’ve been considered people of color and discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and also I hope they mature out of it." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments. The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"

THIS!!! I have never in my life had an immature moment in which I spewed the racism and hatred in those messages. No one I love has either. Their behavior is a choice based on a belief system, not their age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is not a good man.

I don't consider him a man