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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm MAGA and I get what Vance is saying about not ruining the lives of young people, but I think he missed the mark here. The left has called conservatives racists and Nazis so much that we have to seriously consider that our young people may have blurry lines about racism relative to other generations. That means that conservative leaders need to be careful not to do the the same in the other direction- treat actually abhorrent comments or behavior like its normal. I'd rather that he said something like "obviously these are offensive comments and [b]also I hope they mature out of it[/b]." Same sentiment that I think Vance meant to say, but makes it clear that the comments were terrible.

The comments seem to be groyper or groyper adjacent. Groypers don't even like Trump, so I don't know why the administration is going to take on water to deflect from a group that isn't even aligned. The Fuentes/Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing is increasingly hostile to Trump, and Fuentes and Owens make outright racist or antisemitic comments.  The left made the mistake of supporting groups like that, the BLM extremists and the "river to the sea" sect of the Free Palestine movement. That extremism was a factor in the election and in the general backlash to wokeism. We need to be  cautious not to make the same mistake in appearing to be aligned with crazy people just because they are on the right.  [/quote]

I always find it interesting how people think of bigotry as if it is some sort of normal developmental stage that they "grow out of" like wetting the bed, temper tantrums, forming an identity, etc rather than what it actually is, which is a belief system. Somehow this "immaturity" is typically found among white people and not as pervasive among other ethic groups. Neither myself nor people I am close to went through a bigotry stage of development. Calling it "immaturity" lets them off the hook from actually challenging what they believe, why do they believe it, where did the beliefs come from, how do they think they benefit if they hold on to these beliefs, what do they think they will lose if they give up these beliefs, etc.

When it comes to young white people making bigoted remarks there is always some mental gymnastics deployed to lessen its significance and to lessen the earnest of the people saying it as if "they didn't really mean it!"[/quote]

THIS!!!  I have never in my life had an immature moment in which I spewed the racism and hatred in those messages. No one I love has either. Their behavior is a choice based on a belief system, not their age. [/quote]

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