Racism and misogyny and homophobia are so ugly

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Our once very religious culture was very intolerant of homosexuals. Fortunately, as we've evolved into a less religious society, we've become much less bigoted towards gays. Laws pertaining to same-sex marriages and gay rights reflect this change as well. Sometimes progress doesn't happen as quickly as we'd like but there has been noticeable progress for the better on this social issue in recent decades.

I know thousands of people on a first-name basis. Of those thousands of people, I may be able to name five people who aren't accepting of gay people. Flashback 40 years ago and someone my age would tell you that at least 50% of the people they know are not tolerant of open gayness.

These people (the woke left) are only united by their victimhood. If they aren't persecuted, who are they? Why are you trying to take away the one thing they've got-- their belief that everyone else is bad? Do you... hate them?

Oh, look who’s painting an entire group of people with a broad brush now. How racist of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Being objective- we call everyone names. Everyone. It's not clear why gay people expect to be any different, or why people disliking them or judging them is holding them back-- we are ALL judged for our physical appearance, lifestyle choices, etc.

But gays are the only ones who claim that it's a phobia, like how people react to spiders or confined spaces. We don't say femophobia, noirphobia, karenphobia. We only say homophobia, and I think that's to poke at the masculine tendency to say "I'm not scared!" And I agree, they aren't scared, they just don't like it. It's okay. We are a nation of people that don't like each other.

Disagree. They are scared, but not scared of being physically accosted. They are scared that gayness will “rub off” (or, of being perceived as gay, especially when they know they’ve engaged in certain actions and thoughts they don’t like to acknowledge).

Have you ever felt these feelings? Worry that someone's sexuality will rub off on you?

Do you ever look at someone's dusty husband and think.... shit, if I hang out with them, will I become attracted to ogres too?

I love all people and I'm physically attracted to many different types of people. The types of people who I am not physically attracted to haven't changed much over my lifetime and therefore someone I consider an ogre is likely to always remain an ogre in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I simply can’t believe we are heading back to the ugly days of 1950s. Why are white straight men so scared of people who are different from them? I can’t believe my kids have to grow up in this ignorant hateful mindset when I thought we evolved over the last decades? It’s very sad. The saddest part is that hateful people will explain it away or deny it while voting for racist misogynistic homophobic policies. Our society is doomed. - signed, white straight female

What examples specifically lead you to believe we are headed to 1950s?

DP, but overturn of Roe, white nationalism and the push for women to prioritize popping out babies instead of wasting time on education (e.g. the remarks of Erika Kirk), the push for “traditional family values and return to factory work, the parallels between this nebulous war on “ANTIFA” and McCarthyism, rolling back of political progress for minorities, the reversion to strong nationalism after decades of globalization efforts, heavy militarization of our immigration system, tariffs, emphasis on “traditional” masculinity and efforts to push women out of historically men’s spaces like the military.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

GOSH, we JuST don’t WAnT iT IN oUR fACe ALL the TiME!

We only want to see shows with hetero couples and for only straight people to talk about their marriages.

DUH!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Being objective- we call everyone names. Everyone. It's not clear why gay people expect to be any different, or why people disliking them or judging them is holding them back-- we are ALL judged for our physical appearance, lifestyle choices, etc.

But gays are the only ones who claim that it's a phobia, like how people react to spiders or confined spaces. We don't say femophobia, noirphobia, karenphobia. We only say homophobia, and I think that's to poke at the masculine tendency to say "I'm not scared!" And I agree, they aren't scared, they just don't like it. It's okay. We are a nation of people that don't like each other.

Ummm have you ever heard of misogyny?

Sure it’s not a “phobia” though so that doesn’t count?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Our once very religious culture was very intolerant of homosexuals. Fortunately, as we've evolved into a less religious society, we've become much less bigoted towards gays. Laws pertaining to same-sex marriages and gay rights reflect this change as well. Sometimes progress doesn't happen as quickly as we'd like but there has been noticeable progress for the better on this social issue in recent decades.

I know thousands of people on a first-name basis. Of those thousands of people, I may be able to name five people who aren't accepting of gay people. Flashback 40 years ago and someone my age would tell you that at least 50% of the people they know are not tolerant of open gayness.

These people (the woke left) are only united by their victimhood. If they aren't persecuted, who are they? Why are you trying to take away the one thing they've got-- their belief that everyone else is bad? Do you... hate them?

Oh, look who’s painting an entire group of people with a broad brush now. How racist of you.

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You all need to stop with your lumping together all people of a particular race, gender, sexual preference, religious beliefs when making derogatory statements about people. It's a disgusting sign of low intelligence and/or ignorance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

The parentheses was an *also* as in addition to. There are many white men (of all religious demographics) plus most of the people who are religious nationalists who have been trying to turn this country back. They are very open about this (see e.g. Turning Point USA). I’m not delusional. I understand current events just fine thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

I judge people by the content of their character and could care less what physical trait they may or may not have. How about you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Being objective- we call everyone names. Everyone. It's not clear why gay people expect to be any different, or why people disliking them or judging them is holding them back-- we are ALL judged for our physical appearance, lifestyle choices, etc.

But gays are the only ones who claim that it's a phobia, like how people react to spiders or confined spaces. We don't say femophobia, noirphobia, karenphobia. We only say homophobia, and I think that's to poke at the masculine tendency to say "I'm not scared!" And I agree, they aren't scared, they just don't like it. It's okay. We are a nation of people that don't like each other.

Ummm have you ever heard of misogyny?

Sure it’s not a “phobia” though so that doesn’t count?

That's my point. We don't call it femi-phobia. The etymology of misogyny comes from the Greek word for hate, not fear. Most of these terms are describing hatred. Homophobia is the only term I can think of about disdain for a group that is about fear vs hatred.

Homophobia, as a word, is a neologism from the 1960s that is attempting to frame the discussion and convince people that everyone is looking around dark corners for gays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

I judge people by the content of their character and could care less what physical trait they may or may not have. How about you?

Both. I make assessments about people's values, motivations, and potential harmful intent based in part on looks, lifestyle, etc. I don't have time to do a deep dive on every random person I encounter. If someone is dressed in a manner to signal membership of a criminal group, for example, I believe them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Being objective- we call everyone names. Everyone. It's not clear why gay people expect to be any different, or why people disliking them or judging them is holding them back-- we are ALL judged for our physical appearance, lifestyle choices, etc.

But gays are the only ones who claim that it's a phobia, like how people react to spiders or confined spaces. We don't say femophobia, noirphobia, karenphobia. We only say homophobia, and I think that's to poke at the masculine tendency to say "I'm not scared!" And I agree, they aren't scared, they just don't like it. It's okay. We are a nation of people that don't like each other.

Ummm have you ever heard of misogyny?

Sure it’s not a “phobia” though so that doesn’t count?

That's my point. We don't call it femi-phobia. The etymology of misogyny comes from the Greek word for hate, not fear. Most of these terms are describing hatred. Homophobia is the only term I can think of about disdain for a group that is about fear vs hatred.

Homophobia, as a word, is a neologism from the 1960s that is attempting to frame the discussion and convince people that everyone is looking around dark corners for gays.

It's 2025. No one is looking around dark corners for gays. If you know someone who is, identify them and call them out for their ridiculous behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

I judge people by the content of their character and could care less what physical trait they may or may not have. How about you?

Both. I make assessments about people's values, motivations, and potential harmful intent based in part on looks, lifestyle, etc. I don't have time to do a deep dive on every random person I encounter. If someone is dressed in a manner to signal membership of a criminal group, for example, I believe them.

Clothing attire is not a physical trait. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is actually afraid of gay people. No one hesitates walking down a dark street, looking around for gays. It's just a bizarre concept and I'm over it. People arent afraid of gays, and most people by the polling don't think about gays or want to stop gay people from having gay liaisons. They just don't like pride parades. If Gallup asked, "would you rather have your child's teacher be openly gay or have a pride parade on your street every day," the teacher is winning every time.

No one’s afraid of gays…they just want no parades, no books about gay people in libraries, no mention of it in schools, no gay people in the military (Don’t Ask Don’t Tell), no gay movie characters, no gay people celebrating their identity in public, no gay people getting married. They just want to be able to call gay people deviants, perverts, and filth, and shove them back into the closet where they won’t bother anybody. But sure, nobody’s actually SCARED of them, so it’s all OK and there’s no bigotry

Being objective- we call everyone names. Everyone. It's not clear why gay people expect to be any different, or why people disliking them or judging them is holding them back-- we are ALL judged for our physical appearance, lifestyle choices, etc.

But gays are the only ones who claim that it's a phobia, like how people react to spiders or confined spaces. We don't say femophobia, noirphobia, karenphobia. We only say homophobia, and I think that's to poke at the masculine tendency to say "I'm not scared!" And I agree, they aren't scared, they just don't like it. It's okay. We are a nation of people that don't like each other.

Ummm have you ever heard of misogyny?

Sure it’s not a “phobia” though so that doesn’t count?

That's my point. We don't call it femi-phobia. The etymology of misogyny comes from the Greek word for hate, not fear. Most of these terms are describing hatred. Homophobia is the only term I can think of about disdain for a group that is about fear vs hatred.

Homophobia, as a word, is a neologism from the 1960s that is attempting to frame the discussion and convince people that everyone is looking around dark corners for gays.

“I don’t hate X, I just don’t want to be around them” is a form of phobia though. Loke garter snakes. I don’t hate garter snakes and I know they won’t hurt me. I just don’t want to be near them and would prefer they go live their lives under a rock somewhere where I don’t have to encounter them.

Most misogynists still want women around, just in a subservient role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The worst part about these times is to know there’s so many hateful people in the country. Some are really grotesque & sadistic.

Have you seen the DHS /ICE snuff videos? WHO LIKES THAT STUFF?

And they’ve been here ALL ALONG. They were harboring these feelings as so many of us were hopeful under Obama and excited about having a female presidential candidate. The whole freaking time there was a plot for the white men (also largely religious nationalists) and their apologists to derail our progress. They were the kindling lying in wait and MAGA was just the match they needed. I grew up in a red state and seeing so many people I know, who I would have sworn are good people, latch onto this ideology and become increasingly hateful and paranoid has been a horribly sad part of the past decade.

You believe that white men are "largely religious nationalists" and are also concerned about *other people's* paranoia.

I listened to a podcast yesterday called Trust Me, and they had a guest called Anthony Ceasar Duncan. He described his mental health breakdown and recovery, but one of the things he talked about was delusional thinking and how any time that thinking was validated, he descended deeper into his delusions.

Ma'am, most white men in America are neither religious nor "nationalists" and the overlap of "religious nationalists" is vanishingly small. I am saying this clearly because listening to that guy made me realize how important it is to correct delusional thinking.

I judge people by the content of their character and could care less what physical trait they may or may not have. How about you?

Both. I make assessments about people's values, motivations, and potential harmful intent based in part on looks, lifestyle, etc. I don't have time to do a deep dive on every random person I encounter. If someone is dressed in a manner to signal membership of a criminal group, for example, I believe them.

Clothing attire is not a physical trait. Try again.

Physical traits, for example, whiteness, is not a good indicator of character.