Real Concern: Does Hazing still happen in the Greek system?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course.

Kids die every year.

Especially in the south. And students who go Greek have a greater risk of many other I safety hazards—from rape to accidents.

(According to scientific studies, not my bias)

It's already been established that many of the WORST schools for frat hazing are in the northeast. So your narrative about the south being worse is simply false.

+1

Especially how the sororities treat pledges.

Sexual humiliation is common. Mom & dad obviously won’t hear about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids were Greek at UVA never personally experienced hazing at any time. My DS chose a fraternity that was known for not hazing and yes there were definitely some houses that did haze and subsequently got in trouble (kicked off). So the answer is yes it still happens but not in every chapter.

My DS left his fraternity at UVA because of the hazing and dangerous alcohol-related behavior generally.

UVA is the WORST for Greek hazing.

Yes

[Anonymous]

Good lord, dirty rushing has made all of these measures to eliminate hazing a big joke.

Yes, hazing is alive and well. And yes, it extends from several weeks to several months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, of course.

And it happens outside of frats.

My college banned frats for hazing and then found the various clubs picked up the slack... the theater society or whatever it was was vicious—it was different vicious, no dog cages and elephant walks, but it was cruel, involved drugs, alcohol, sexual humiliation and sleep deprivation.

Hell, I was the editor in chief of the student paper and we hazed the shit out of freshmen writers.

18-22 kids who are offered power/freedom from adult supervision are very mean to newbies.

My DS played D3 baseball at a college that does not have fraternities and sororities - he just graduated so was a freshman in 2021-22. His baseball team hazed the freshmen players. I found out his freshman year. One of his fellow freshman teammates ended up in the emergency room with serious alcohol poisoning after a hazing party.

[Anonymous]

I was in an SEC sorority as were many of my friends and I can confidently report that hazing is incredibly rare. Sororities do NOT eff around with that because nationals will have your head if it gets back to them. We were basically showered with gifts instead.

Fraternities…different story

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm NOT looking for specific schools or frats/sororities. NOT looking to debate pros/cons. I'm unfamiliar with the system and my kid may be interested (in future, don't even know specific "house"). So my specific question is...Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else. I would be thrilled to be told I'm ridiculous to worry about this...but it rattles around in the back of my head and I'd like to have an idea if this is a real concern or not. Thank you.

Yes, it's a real concern: https://www.hazinginfo.org/campus-lookup

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids were Greek at UVA never personally experienced hazing at any time. My DS chose a fraternity that was known for not hazing and yes there were definitely some houses that did haze and subsequently got in trouble (kicked off). So the answer is yes it still happens but not in every chapter.

I'm not arguing, but I do know I did not tell my mother about any hazing that was done to me or that I did to others.

"We don't do that stuff," I told her. And I even believed it. I wasn't being hazed, I was having fun! Those other houses THEY haze, because they're dbags. I'm drinking this handle of Jack Daniels that has been duct-taped to my hands because I'm a cool guy and my cool new friends should see that.

My ds told me pretty much everything he did. He also sent me the letter he got on the last day of rush from the president stressing that they do not believe in alcohol or drug (or anything else really) hazing. That letter is why he pledged when he was initially very reluctant and not a typical “frat bro”. Sorry you can’t speak for me and /or my son. My son wasn’t a heavy drinker and did not feel pressure to do so. All I’m saying is some houses don’t haze.

I was in a sorority and was never hazed, meither was my daughter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It’s all secretive, the rituals and the hazing.

Yes. For the sororities, expect at a minimum for your daughter to have to get naked in font of her sisters on several occasions as a form of hazing. It’s all sworn to secrecy.

That’s completely false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in an SEC sorority as were many of my friends and I can confidently report that hazing is incredibly rare. Sororities do NOT eff around with that because nationals will have your head if it gets back to them. We were basically showered with gifts instead.

Fraternities…different story

No hazing except for the list of men you had to sleep with from the frats with close ties.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, hazing isn’t common at all among sororities. It’s the fraternities where this tradition unfortunately lives on.

Sororities never pressure candidates to have sex with actives/candidates from favored fraternities?

Mom never finds out about that, so she can confidently say there is no hazing.

You people were clearly not Greek. No this doesn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, hazing isn’t common at all among sororities. It’s the fraternities where this tradition unfortunately lives on.

Sororities never pressure candidates to have sex with actives/candidates from favored fraternities?

Mom never finds out about that, so she can confidently say there is no hazing.

You people were clearly not Greek. No this doesn’t happen.

Cmon, we’re not morons - we all went, many of us were Greeks. There sre some dweeby Greek houses that make a show of adhering to national rules but as others have pointed out, nearly every group of college age kids wind up hazing in some form or another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else.

Across the whole USA those things do happen some of the time at some universities. Anyone who says they never happen now is confused.

DCUM will not agree on whether any of those are common, which fraternities or universities are worse, or such like.

Parents having concerns is reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was in an SEC sorority as were many of my friends and I can confidently report that hazing is incredibly rare. Sororities do NOT eff around with that because nationals will have your head if it gets back to them. We were basically showered with gifts instead.

Fraternities…different story

No hazing except for the list of men you had to sleep with from the frats with close ties.

I was in a top sorority in the 1980s at an SEC school.

No I didn't have to sleep with anyone. Nor did any of our pledges. I was never hated nor did I haze anyone.

Frats did have hazing.

[Anonymous]

If your kid has a medical condition, even minor (asthma, GI disorders, heart condition, food allergies, etc.), pledging honestly should be a hard no. Sometimes they’re forced to drink until they puke or black out, and half the time they don’t even know what’s in the cup. That’s a death trap if you’ve got health issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else.

Across the whole USA those things do happen some of the time at some universities. Anyone who says they never happen now is confused.

DCUM will not agree on whether any of those are common, which fraternities or universities are worse, or such like.

Parents having concerns is reasonable.

Agree. Claims that it never happens are as wrong as claims it always does. It depends but it is something to address with your college bound kids.