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Sorry. 40 pages for an AP class over two days is not too much. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

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Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

I did not “complain” - I simply stated I was worried because it seems like a lot. That is my opinion and obviously you disagree (by insulting my child - perhaps this isn’t the right class for my child). I also never said it wasn’t “doable.” Every child is different. For some that may not feel like a lot because maybe they actually had the whole two nights to do the work. I even ended my post with in trying to trust the process. I was not the PP who was complaining the teacher didn’t teach.

Perhaps you can learn to share your opinion in the future without insulting children and assuming there is something wrong with them if they feel 40 pages is a lot.

Suggesting that a class is too much for a student isn't an insult, not every child is ready for every class. I took classes that were gen ed and classes that were honors/AP based on my abilities; I was not embarrassed by that. There should be nothing wrong with saying that the workload in a class is too much and potentially changing classes. If you are insulted by the idea that your child might not be in the right class for them, then that is on you.

The problem is you’re jumping to a conclusion about my child based on what I said - I stated I felt it was a lot. I didn’t even say my child complained. That doesn’t necessarily translate into the class is too much for them and they should drop down. That’s quite a leap.

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Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

I did not “complain” - I simply stated I was worried because it seems like a lot. That is my opinion and obviously you disagree (by insulting my child - perhaps this isn’t the right class for my child). I also never said it wasn’t “doable.” Every child is different. For some that may not feel like a lot because maybe they actually had the whole two nights to do the work. I even ended my post with in trying to trust the process. I was not the PP who was complaining the teacher didn’t teach.

Perhaps you can learn to share your opinion in the future without insulting children and assuming there is something wrong with them if they feel 40 pages is a lot.

Suggesting that a class is too much for a student isn't an insult, not every child is ready for every class. I took classes that were gen ed and classes that were honors/AP based on my abilities; I was not embarrassed by that. There should be nothing wrong with saying that the workload in a class is too much and potentially changing classes. If you are insulted by the idea that your child might not be in the right class for them, then that is on you.

The problem is you’re jumping to a conclusion about my child based on what I said - I stated I felt it was a lot. I didn’t even say my child complained. That doesn’t necessarily translate into the class is too much for them and they should drop down. That’s quite a leap.

+1 plus like a PP said, it’s the beginning of the year and there’s probably a learning curve.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry. 40 pages for an AP class over two days is not too much. Period.

I didn’t say it was too much. I said a lot. Someone also corrected me - it was actually 49 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

I did not “complain” - I simply stated I was worried because it seems like a lot. That is my opinion and obviously you disagree (by insulting my child - perhaps this isn’t the right class for my child). I also never said it wasn’t “doable.” Every child is different. For some that may not feel like a lot because maybe they actually had the whole two nights to do the work. I even ended my post with in trying to trust the process. I was not the PP who was complaining the teacher didn’t teach.

Perhaps you can learn to share your opinion in the future without insulting children and assuming there is something wrong with them if they feel 40 pages is a lot.

Suggesting that a class is too much for a student isn't an insult, not every child is ready for every class. I took classes that were gen ed and classes that were honors/AP based on my abilities; I was not embarrassed by that. There should be nothing wrong with saying that the workload in a class is too much and potentially changing classes. If you are insulted by the idea that your child might not be in the right class for them, then that is on you.

I wonder why you’re so quick to think that based on one comment I made. Do you generally feel it’s good to give up the second a challenge arises?

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So, OP, this is an AP class. That means college level. Do you intend to keep up with the requirements when your child goes to college? When the quizzes are? How much to read a night?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

I have also taught at the university level, and yes, there was reading and lectures were based on the assumption that everyone has done their reading. But, there was a lecture. There is no teaching here, as far as I can tell. The kid is learning by herself, from YouTube videos. Which is of course, additional work on top of whatever is going on in her classes. Doesn't help that this is not the only where she is teaching herself the content.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

I have also taught at the university level, and yes, there was reading and lectures were based on the assumption that everyone has done their reading. But, there was a lecture. There is no teaching here, as far as I can tell. The kid is learning by herself, from YouTube videos. Which is of course, additional work on top of whatever is going on in her classes. Doesn't help that this is not the only where she is teaching herself the content.

Has it occurred to you that just maybe your child is not "getting" it? Or, may not be sharing everything going on in the class with you?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

I have also taught at the university level, and yes, there was reading and lectures were based on the assumption that everyone has done their reading. But, there was a lecture. There is no teaching here, as far as I can tell. The kid is learning by herself, from YouTube videos. Which is of course, additional work on top of whatever is going on in her classes. Doesn't help that this is not the only where she is teaching herself the content.

My child also confirms this. No lecture, no notes.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry. 40 pages for an AP class over two days is not too much. Period.

Well when your child also has a lot of other work in other classes it is. You seem like the type that maybe should have had their kid go to TJ. I actually speak to TJ parents. They also say it’s a lot. I never suggest their kid should leave TJ though, but you probably would with your black and white thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

And, you remember it quite differently from me. I remember a lot more than you describe. Term papers, for example, which required hours of research--in the library, before the internet.
Interpreting literature.
Reading novels in a foreign language.
Memorizing terms.

And, in a public high school in the South:
I read Madame Bovary in French and had to take a test on it which required responses in French
Junior year: Moby Dick; Red Badge of Courage; and other novels and American poets (junior year)
Senior year: Shakespeare, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales and others
Term paper in History in addition to tests with multiple choice and essay questions
Economics

In those days, we did not have block scheduling. Every class, every day. It worked.

So far, as a sophomore, DC has read Donne's Meditations XVII, and The Pardoner's Tale from the Canterbury Tales. Next up is Macbeth. Other works are expected to be excerpts from The Rubaiyat, The Prince and Paradise Lost (plus short stories, nonfiction and poetry), and complete works such as Rime of the Ancient Mariner, A Tale of Two Cities, The Metamorphosis, Frankenstein, etc.

I also went through school without block scheduling. I frankly prefer it, because the quantity of work in any one subject on any given day is not massive, as opposed to having 50 pages of reading assigned at the same time as 75 problems each for two other subjects.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

And, you remember it quite differently from me. I remember a lot more than you describe. Term papers, for example, which required hours of research--in the library, before the internet.
Interpreting literature.
Reading novels in a foreign language.
Memorizing terms.

And, in a public high school in the South:
I read Madame Bovary in French and had to take a test on it which required responses in French
Junior year: Moby Dick; Red Badge of Courage; and other novels and American poets (junior year)
Senior year: Shakespeare, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales and others
Term paper in History in addition to tests with multiple choice and essay questions
Economics

In those days, we did not have block scheduling. Every class, every day. It worked.

So far, as a sophomore, DC has read Donne's Meditations XVII, and The Pardoner's Tale from the Canterbury Tales. Next up is Macbeth. Other works are expected to be excerpts from The Rubaiyat, The Prince and Paradise Lost (plus short stories, nonfiction and poetry), and complete works such as Rime of the Ancient Mariner, A Tale of Two Cities, The Metamorphosis, Frankenstein, etc.

I also went through school without block scheduling. I frankly prefer it, because the quantity of work in any one subject on any given day is not massive, as opposed to having 50 pages of reading assigned at the same time as 75 problems each for two other subjects.

I think I agree with you. They do get a lot assigned due to the blocks. I also don’t believe someone should suggest the class is not right for a child just because someone said it’s a lot in the first couple weeks. Even the principal said it was a lot when we chatted about courses prior to signing up.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

I have also taught at the university level, and yes, there was reading and lectures were based on the assumption that everyone has done their reading. But, there was a lecture. There is no teaching here, as far as I can tell. The kid is learning by herself, from YouTube videos. Which is of course, additional work on top of whatever is going on in her classes. Doesn't help that this is not the only where she is teaching herself the content.

Has it occurred to you that just maybe your child is not "getting" it? Or, may not be sharing everything going on in the class with you?

There’s nothing to get because it’s all self taught so far.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

I taught at the University level. I assigned reading but I did not lecture only on the reading. Students were expected to do the reading so that they could fully engage with the lecture. I started class asking if there were questions from the reading and covering any points that might have been problematic for students, but my lecture complemented the reading, it did not cover the reading. I flat out told students that they could not get an A in my class without completing the reading and attending class. There would be topics discussed in the reading and in the lecture that were only covered in the reading or the lecture. Tests were drawn from both the reading and lecture, if you are only doing one or the other, you might earn a C. The end goal of the class was to be able to combine the material to develop a fuller understanding of the class material.

Reading notes might be assigned to ensure that students are paying attention to the reading because the teacher is not going to review all that material in class. Your child should ask the teacher about how to use those notes so that they better understand the why.

I have also taught at the university level, and yes, there was reading and lectures were based on the assumption that everyone has done their reading. But, there was a lecture. There is no teaching here, as far as I can tell. The kid is learning by herself, from YouTube videos. Which is of course, additional work on top of whatever is going on in her classes. Doesn't help that this is not the only where she is teaching herself the content.

Has it occurred to you that just maybe your child is not "getting" it? Or, may not be sharing everything going on in the class with you?

There’s nothing to get because it’s all self taught so far.

Oh, are you sitting in the class?