Chantilly High Team Taught World Civ

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering if anyone else has kids doing this, and how things are doing. DC is worried because the History teacher keeps saying they're seriously behind, but not doing any teaching (kids are reading and taking notes, and have watched one YouTube video on content in 3 weeks), and apparently they ended up 8 weeks behind last year, so just skipped a bunch of content.

So what if they skip a bunch of content? What difference does it make.

It makes a difference when you're taking an AP course, because the AP exam covers that missing content. So now the kids have to teach themselves the content by reading and watching YouTube videos, in which case, what's the point of having a teacher in the first place?

Is this an AP course?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

That’s your opinion. And just an fyi, it’s not an honors course. It’s an AP course. And now I’m curious why there actually isn’t uniformity among all the AP courses as it’s a standard curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering if anyone else has kids doing this, and how things are doing. DC is worried because the History teacher keeps saying they're seriously behind, but not doing any teaching (kids are reading and taking notes, and have watched one YouTube video on content in 3 weeks), and apparently they ended up 8 weeks behind last year, so just skipped a bunch of content.

So what if they skip a bunch of content? What difference does it make.

It makes a difference when you're taking an AP course, because the AP exam covers that missing content. So now the kids have to teach themselves the content by reading and watching YouTube videos, in which case, what's the point of having a teacher in the first place?

Is this an AP course?

Yes, the history is the AP course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

That’s your opinion. And just an fyi, it’s not an honors course. It’s an AP course. And now I’m curious why there actually isn’t uniformity among all the AP courses as it’s a standard curriculum.

As I understand it, this is a hybrid class that is taught differently. It merges History and English. It is not surprising that there are differences in the curriculum.

Realisticly, there are always teachers who are "easy", they don't assign a lot of work, their grading is more leniant, and teachers who are "hard", they assign work and grade it, their grading is more demanding. People complain about it every year, at every level of education. The kids in the class selected a challenging class that has a great reputation. It is going to be taught differently and be demanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

I did not “complain” - I simply stated I was worried because it seems like a lot. That is my opinion and obviously you disagree (by insulting my child - perhaps this isn’t the right class for my child). I also never said it wasn’t “doable.” Every child is different. For some that may not feel like a lot because maybe they actually had the whole two nights to do the work. I even ended my post with in trying to trust the process. I was not the PP who was complaining the teacher didn’t teach.

Perhaps you can learn to share your opinion in the future without insulting children and assuming there is something wrong with them if they feel 40 pages is a lot.

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DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

That’s your opinion. And just an fyi, it’s not an honors course. It’s an AP course. And now I’m curious why there actually isn’t uniformity among all the AP courses as it’s a standard curriculum.

As I understand it, this is a hybrid class that is taught differently. It merges History and English. It is not surprising that there are differences in the curriculum.
Realisticly, there are always teachers who are "easy", they don't assign a lot of work, their grading is more leniant, and teachers who are "hard", they assign work and grade it, their grading is more demanding. People complain about it every year, at every level of education. The kids in the class selected a challenging class that has a great reputation. It is going to be taught differently and be demanding.

This World Civ teacher is not the hardest teacher for the subject in the school, BTW. It is someone else. But, they are also apparently an excellent teacher, and is teaching the material, instead of expecting the kids to just teach themselves. We don't know how hard of a grader this one is, because there have been no graded assessments, and per the curriculum, there won't be any until the end of the month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

That’s your opinion. And just an fyi, it’s not an honors course. It’s an AP course. And now I’m curious why there actually isn’t uniformity among all the AP courses as it’s a standard curriculum.

As I understand it, this is a hybrid class that is taught differently. It merges History and English. It is not surprising that there are differences in the curriculum.

Realisticly, there are always teachers who are "easy", they don't assign a lot of work, their grading is more leniant, and teachers who are "hard", they assign work and grade it, their grading is more demanding. People complain about it every year, at every level of education. The kids in the class selected a challenging class that has a great reputation. It is going to be taught differently and be demanding.

There can be differences in the way the class is taught, but there cannot be differences in curriculum, because as an AP course, the college board decides what the curriculum should be, not the teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

+1 thank you for speaking up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

And, you remember it quite differently from me. I remember a lot more than you describe. Term papers, for example, which required hours of research--in the library, before the internet.
Interpreting literature.
Reading novels in a foreign language.
Memorizing terms.

And, in a public high school in the South:
I read Madame Bovary in French and had to take a test on it which required responses in French
Junior year: Moby Dick; Red Badge of Courage; and other novels and American poets (junior year)
Senior year: Shakespeare, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales and others
Term paper in History in addition to tests with multiple choice and essay questions
Economics

In those days, we did not have block scheduling. Every class, every day. It worked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. It's 49 pages. I went back and counted. It coincided with the other AP class assigning 15 problems each of which had 3-5 sub problems, and the other other AP class assigning 6 pages of problems, and the English class having something due, and the science class having a quiz. So yeah, it's a lot to cover in two days.

For those of you saying it's a college level course - it is. If you think back to college though, you weren't in class from 8:10 to 3:00 5 days a week, and then doing ECs after that was over.

Anyway, my child wasn't complaining about the amount of reading and note taking, she wanted to know what the point of it is, when the teacher is not teaching anything, they are not going over the material in any way, and they are already weeks behind in a class where there is a test that covers a certain amount of material that they will likely not get to. If past is prologue, they will end up 8 weeks behind, which is pretty much an entire quarter's worth of material (16-20% of the test, per AP).

This exactly. There is a lot more fee time in college during the day to complete 30-60 pages of reading. And generally you have an entire week to do it and notes weren’t required. Professor would lecture on the material you read at the next class.

And, you remember it quite differently from me. I remember a lot more than you describe. Term papers, for example, which required hours of research--in the library, before the internet.
Interpreting literature.
Reading novels in a foreign language.
Memorizing terms.

And, in a public high school in the South:
I read Madame Bovary in French and had to take a test on it which required responses in French
Junior year: Moby Dick; Red Badge of Courage; and other novels and American poets (junior year)
Senior year: Shakespeare, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales and others
Term paper in History in addition to tests with multiple choice and essay questions
Economics

In those days, we did not have block scheduling. Every class, every day. It worked.

But that doesn’t change the fact that in college you still have more free time during the day during the week to do your work. Generally you take 2 classes per day. Most kids (including me) came in with some AP credits which lightened the load a bit. In high school, you have to wait to start work until you get home from your long day of classes. I distinctly recall college being somewhat easier due to this. I was prepared well by FCPS because I was used to working hard.

Also, I never had to take a foreign language in college - I was exempted because I took 4 years in high school.

We had block scheduling in high school in FCPS as early as the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are sort of concerned too. The amount of reading assigned to be due at the next class for history during last week was crazy. It was nearly 40 pages and they had to take notes and were given 2 nights to do it. Other times not much is assigned. They don’t seem to discuss any of the material. I heard the unit test on 1&2 is soon? I’m trying to trust the process but am worried.

Forty pages with notes over two nights isn’t a lot at all, especially in a high school honors course. That should take no more than 90 minutes to 2 hours, which is not much over two nights.

40 pages of a textbook plus notes is a lot when every other class has work due the same day as well. I guess your kid is just superior. Congrats!

Your child will be doing this in a few years with all college classes. It is doable. Your child has 2 days to complete this assignment, not one. This is a college level class so expect college level work. I know kids who have taken this class and loved it. It is advertised as challenging but great and recommended by every student I know who took it. None of them complained that it was too much. Your kid is in the early part of the class, it feels overwhelming because they are learning the skill. They will pick it up and it will be fine.

I did not “complain” - I simply stated I was worried because it seems like a lot. That is my opinion and obviously you disagree (by insulting my child - perhaps this isn’t the right class for my child). I also never said it wasn’t “doable.” Every child is different. For some that may not feel like a lot because maybe they actually had the whole two nights to do the work. I even ended my post with in trying to trust the process. I was not the PP who was complaining the teacher didn’t teach.

Perhaps you can learn to share your opinion in the future without insulting children and assuming there is something wrong with them if they feel 40 pages is a lot.

Suggesting that a class is too much for a student isn't an insult, not every child is ready for every class. I took classes that were gen ed and classes that were honors/AP based on my abilities; I was not embarrassed by that. There should be nothing wrong with saying that the workload in a class is too much and potentially changing classes. If you are insulted by the idea that your child might not be in the right class for them, then that is on you.