Best for pre-med

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20?PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Well, for starters, Brown Alpert Med School isn’t only PLME students.

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Anonymous wrote:This site, which would seem to work best as a sampling, suggests Bates, Bowdoin, Brown, Duke, Hamilton, JHU, Princeton, Rice, Stanford and Union:

A Guide to The Best Colleges for Pre-Med Students - InGenius Prep https://ingeniusprep.com/blog/best-colleges-for-pre-med-students/

How? By what criteria? That's not how sampling works.

It seems you are thinking of statistical sampling, which was not the intended usage.

Right but you did say it was representative- how?

I'm differing from the opinion of the site, which says those are the best schools for premed. I'm saying those are simply examples of excellent schools for premed across different types of institutions and regions of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

DP, I don’t think anyone denies all sorts of schools are represented at top medical schools. It’s just that the very top undergrads are very much over represented. I’ve had someone in admissions tell me they have tiers they put schools into.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Haverford, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Middlebury has a higher success rate than most if not all of these schools and all of these schools have acceptance rates far above average. Basically topSLACs are the way to go.

Middlebury is not a significant feeder. It’s probably got few students applying to med school, boosting the percent: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

The thing that matters isn’t how many there are, it’s that they get in with a success rate of over 90%. A close friends kid’s kid just finished there and had multiple med school offers so I have seen it firsthand. First class advice and guidance with a strong SLAC is a great combination.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

I really didn't say anything against this, so I'm not sure why you decided to combat me. I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Haverford, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Middlebury has a higher success rate than most if not all of these schools and all of these schools have acceptance rates far above average. Basically topSLACs are the way to go.

Middlebury is not a significant feeder. It’s probably got few students applying to med school, boosting the percent: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Middlebury has among the highest 5-year running acceptance rates for med school (91%), with around 50 applicants per year.

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-medical-school

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

I really didn't say anything against this, so I'm not sure why you decided to combat me. I agree.

LOL. Sorry. I wasn't combating you. I was just frustrated with some of the misleading posts (not your posts). There is one requirement that is easier (my word only) to accomplish from top tier schools than public schools - research. You have to be really assertive to find research opportunities in most public universities, and you are actually competing with other premed kids. I do believe top tier schools, this is a lot less stressful.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Haverford, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Middlebury has a higher success rate than most if not all of these schools and all of these schools have acceptance rates far above average. Basically topSLACs are the way to go.

Middlebury is not a significant feeder. It’s probably got few students applying to med school, boosting the percent: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Middlebury has among the highest 5-year running acceptance rates for med school (91%), with around 50 applicants per year.

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-medical-school

Thank you for not responding at all to my comment, so I will repeat since you clearly misunderstood.
Middlebury is not a significant feeder. It’s probably got few students applying to med school, boosting the percent: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Haverford, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Middlebury has a higher success rate than most if not all of these schools and all of these schools have acceptance rates far above average. Basically topSLACs are the way to go.

Middlebury is not a significant feeder. It’s probably got few students applying to med school, boosting the percent: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Middlebury has among the highest 5-year running acceptance rates for med school (91%), with around 50 applicants per year.

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-medical-school

50 is small for a school with almost 3000 students.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

DP, I don’t think anyone denies all sorts of schools are represented at top medical schools. It’s just that the very top undergrads are very much over represented. I’ve had someone in admissions tell me they have tiers they put schools into.

This!

Among public schools, I think UNC has a good premed program. But for OOS is difficult to get in.

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Everybody in here talks about “good” stem classes, but that’s just window shopping. You need to get to brass tacks.

Most med schools now require applicants to go through a med school coordinator at their (student’s) university. So you want a school with a very very well staffed career/postgrad services office. Some SLACs don’t even have their own, they split one coordinator. I’ve seen it work, but it doesn’t always.

Other big consideration is access to lab and hospital volunteer opportunities. These are de facto requirements for applicants and surprisingly hard to do. For ex, in DC hospitals do intake for volunteers once a year and have very limited spots. So if you’re in a college town with one hospital, good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody in here talks about “good” stem classes, but that’s just window shopping. You need to get to brass tacks.

Most med schools now require applicants to go through a med school coordinator at their (student’s) university. So you want a school with a very very well staffed career/postgrad services office. Some SLACs don’t even have their own, they split one coordinator. I’ve seen it work, but it doesn’t always.

Other big consideration is access to lab and hospital volunteer opportunities. These are de facto requirements for applicants and surprisingly hard to do. For ex, in DC hospitals do intake for volunteers once a year and have very limited spots. So if you’re in a college town with one hospital, good luck.

Doesn't add up with SLAC outcomes at top med schools.