Court allows Trump to end union bargaining for federal workers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would a bunch of office govt workers need a union

Why don’t they? Are you saying that only blue-collar workers need a union?

Not PP but yes. Government workers should not have a union. Never should have been allowed. Nothing wrong with this even if you oppose Trump.

Why?

Should we get rid of police unions?

I’m pro-law enforcement and have a thin blue line sticker on the back window of my vehicle.

I hate unions. I’ve witnessed and worked with them at their worst. I think the police union should be abolished along with every other union.

Does that satisfactorily answer your question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would a bunch of office govt workers need a union

Why don’t they? Are you saying that only blue-collar workers need a union?

Not PP but yes. Government workers should not have a union. Never should have been allowed. Nothing wrong with this even if you oppose Trump.

Why?

Should we get rid of police unions?

I’m pro-law enforcement and have a thin blue line sticker on the back window of my vehicle.

I hate unions. I’ve witnessed and worked with them at their worst. I think the police union should be abolished along with every other union.

Does that satisfactorily answer your question?

DP. Not really.

[Anonymous]

People who are anti union are fundamentally anti democracy. Union workers vote for representation and then their representatives have a voice in how their work lives are run. It’s not a perfect system but neither is democracy — sometimes people pick bad representatives. Or sometimes the people make choices that we aren’t crazy about. But that doesn’t mean we end their right to select reprentatives to have a say in their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would a bunch of office govt workers need a union

Why don’t they? Are you saying that only blue-collar workers need a union?

Not PP but yes. Government workers should not have a union. Never should have been allowed. Nothing wrong with this even if you oppose Trump.

Why?

Should we get rid of police unions?

I’m pro-law enforcement and have a thin blue line sticker on the back window of my vehicle.

I hate unions. I’ve witnessed and worked with them at their worst. I think the police union should be abolished along with every other union.

Does that satisfactorily answer your question?

Must be exhausting trying to make people care about your opinion. Unions exhist because both the workers and management like having contracts in place. You exhist simply to donate to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's acolytes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People with college degrees generally don’t have unions

Like teachers?

They shouldn’t have unions. Zero public unions should be the goal.

NP +1

There should be no unions in the public sector. If you want a union, go work somewhere else. Nobody is forcing you to work in the public sector.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who are anti union are fundamentally anti democracy. Union workers vote for representation and then their representatives have a voice in how their work lives are run. It’s not a perfect system but neither is democracy — sometimes people pick bad representatives. Or sometimes the people make choices that we aren’t crazy about. But that doesn’t mean we end their right to select reprentatives to have a say in their own lives.

Look what happened with Michelle Rhee and the teachers union a decade ago. She had a great proposal to dramatically increase salary of teachers in DC, bringing in new talent and improving teaching standards in our schools, in return for individual teachers giving up their right to stay in their position long after all of their bosses and colleagues said they were completely ineffective in their role. However, the teachers union felt threatened and literally refused to allow it to go to vote among their members! Why would they refuse a vote? Because they knew the majority of their members would have wanted to accept it. Who lost? Our kids.

[Anonymous]

Federal agencies rely on unions to do the management. That’s what I’ve learned—HR loves the union because they can blame the union for their inability to effectively advise managers and set policy.

Take the crutch away and let’s see what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Federal agencies rely on unions to do the management. That’s what I’ve learned—HR loves the union because they can blame the union for their inability to effectively advise managers and set policy.

Take the crutch away and let’s see what happens.

I don’t understand your comment. Are you saying that HR can’t effectively manage the employees and constantly blame the unions for that, and if there were no unions then HR would need to fire people, put them on PIPs etc because there would be no more excuses?

[Anonymous]

If you haven’t had the windows of your car all smashed by out of town Teamsters that flew in to intimidate people your opinion on unions is null and void.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would a bunch of office govt workers need a union

Why don’t they? Are you saying that only blue-collar workers need a union?

Not PP but yes. Government workers should not have a union. Never should have been allowed. Nothing wrong with this even if you oppose Trump.

Why?

Should we get rid of police unions?

I’m pro-law enforcement and have a thin blue line sticker on the back window of my vehicle.

I hate unions. I’ve witnessed and worked with them at their worst. I think the police union should be abolished along with every other union.

Does that satisfactorily answer your question?

Satisfactorily shows me how ignorant you are.

Are you saying we should just throw out the constitution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you haven’t had the windows of your car all smashed by out of town Teamsters that flew in to intimidate people your opinion on unions is null and void.

Let’s base decisions for the whole country on one incident that happened in Boston. Great idea, Jan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People with college degrees generally don’t have unions

Some government workers don't have college degrees.

[Anonymous]

That shouldn’t matter, unions are a means to negotiate in an unequal power balance, where top management or the rich owner can fire someone who speaks up against poor or worsening working conditions. They are a guardrail of democracy. The Polish solidarity movement against the Soviet dictatorship started with labor unions!

[Anonymous]

My god it just keeps getting better.

Thank you President Trump!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal agencies rely on unions to do the management. That’s what I’ve learned—HR loves the union because they can blame the union for their inability to effectively advise managers and set policy.

Take the crutch away and let’s see what happens.

I don’t understand your comment. Are you saying that HR can’t effectively manage the employees and constantly blame the unions for that, and if there were no unions then HR would need to fire people, put them on PIPs etc because there would be no more excuses?

Yeah, pretty much. Except HR isn’t supposed to manage, they’re supposed to support managers. And they don’t. Because they are lazy, or cowardly, and use the union as a scapegoat for their own ineffectiveness. The union isn’t the problem generally.

Contracts are good, they provide certainty, but HR typically doesn’t even try to enforce the agreement with the union or provide managers with clear guidance. The unions just take all the heat when it’s really horrible management that is the problem.