PV Champs Finals on Friday night and early Divisionals Saturday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NVSL:
Divisionals = Prelims to make IAS

oh this is completely ridiculous. Divisionals is a big meet in and of itself. They give out medals, its fun for the kids, etc. Its not just a prelim session for IAS. The vast majority of kids swimming in divisionals will never make all stars. (e.g. for each stroke there are 12 swimmers per division- 204 swimmers, of which 18 will make all stars. Its completely fine and appropriate for a kid to swim in divisionals even if they can't go to all stars.
Second, the idea that they are somehow 'depriving' a teammate of going to all stars is similarly absurd. Only the top 18 swimmers go to all stars. 2 kids on each team get to go to divisionals in each event. The idea that a kid who is 3rd on the ladder is going to make all stars if able to swim is exceedingly unlikely. This is demonstrated by skimming through the leaders board on NVSL website. In any given stroke it is super rare for 3 kids on the same team to be in the top 25. When it does happen, generally 1 if not 2 of those kids are the top in every stroke- and they have to pick 2 to swim. So in the land of hypotheticals- highly unlikely that three kids from the same team could make all stars. Highly unlikely that, in the rare circumstances that it occurs, those 3 kids all want to swim the same stroke.
Bottom line- if your kid is given a slot in divisionals, they should take it without guilt no matter their plans for all star weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do kids swim NVSL divisionals *knowing for sure* that they won’t swim IAS? If so, why? To try for an NVSL or team or pool record?

I have heard of some kids (a few? One or two? idk) swimming club prelim sessions to get a time and have no intention of swimming in finals. Was told they are swimming prelims to get a time drop. They get a drop and they’re done for the day.

Yes, according to some posters here their kids are doing just that, because Divisionals is "important to them as their last summer swim meet". Never mind that in doing so they are denying another swimmer a chance to qualify for and swim in IAS, however small they feel that chance may be. It's not like anyone has ever dropped time at Divisionals. And who cares if that next swimmer on the ladder is only a little bit slower and might actually have a chance at IAS, they'll do it anyway because it's all about them. After all, if you're a fast swimmer it's ok to disregard the intent of Divisionals. You get to make up your own rules because your parents have taught you that being fast means you get to act like a jerk.

[Anonymous]

We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do kids swim NVSL divisionals *knowing for sure* that they won’t swim IAS? If so, why? To try for an NVSL or team or pool record?

I have heard of some kids (a few? One or two? idk) swimming club prelim sessions to get a time and have no intention of swimming in finals. Was told they are swimming prelims to get a time drop. They get a drop and they’re done for the day.

Yes, according to some posters here their kids are doing just that, because Divisionals is "important to them as their last summer swim meet". Never mind that in doing so they are denying another swimmer a chance to qualify for and swim in IAS, however small they feel that chance may be. It's not like anyone has ever dropped time at Divisionals. And who cares if that next swimmer on the ladder is only a little bit slower and might actually have a chance at IAS, they'll do it anyway because it's all about them. After all, if you're a fast swimmer it's ok to disregard the intent of Divisionals. You get to make up your own rules because your parents have taught you that being fast means you get to act like a jerk.

You are way WAY too invested in your kid being able to swim at Divisionals. If your team has that many fast swimmers that the#6 swimmer in the age group would still make all stars but not Divisionals and you care this much, you should consider switching teams next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tollefson is hosting again. Does anyone know if there will be bag tags this time? What about walk-out music and fanfare at finals? For 10U swimmers, those two things are most important.

Per my source, there will be bag tags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tollefson is hosting again. Does anyone know if there will be bag tags this time? What about walk-out music and fanfare at finals? For 10U swimmers, those two things are most important.

Per my source, there will be bag tags.

But will all the swimmers actually get them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do kids swim NVSL divisionals *knowing for sure* that they won’t swim IAS? If so, why? To try for an NVSL or team or pool record?

I have heard of some kids (a few? One or two? idk) swimming club prelim sessions to get a time and have no intention of swimming in finals. Was told they are swimming prelims to get a time drop. They get a drop and they’re done for the day.

Yes, according to some posters here their kids are doing just that, because Divisionals is "important to them as their last summer swim meet". Never mind that in doing so they are denying another swimmer a chance to qualify for and swim in IAS, however small they feel that chance may be. It's not like anyone has ever dropped time at Divisionals. And who cares if that next swimmer on the ladder is only a little bit slower and might actually have a chance at IAS, they'll do it anyway because it's all about them. After all, if you're a fast swimmer it's ok to disregard the intent of Divisionals. You get to make up your own rules because your parents have taught you that being fast means you get to act like a jerk.

You are way WAY too invested in your kid being able to swim at Divisionals. If your team has that many fast swimmers that the#6 swimmer in the age group would still make all stars but not Divisionals and you care this much, you should consider switching teams next year.

We are in a lower division. My team sends one or two kids to all-stars in a normal year. Sometimes none. In fact, the entire division only sends a handful of kids.
So, yeah, we have a lot of swimmers in divisionals who know there is zero chance they will go to all-stars, and have made their summer plans accordingly. We treat divisionals as our final championship meet. And people are excited to swim in it even if they have no intention of swimming in all stars.

[Anonymous]

They should since UMD is pretty strict about who has deck access. Our son got one at Jr Champs last week.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tollefson is hosting again. Does anyone know if there will be bag tags this time? What about walk-out music and fanfare at finals? For 10U swimmers, those two things are most important.

Per my source, there will be bag tags.

But will all the swimmers actually get them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do kids swim NVSL divisionals *knowing for sure* that they won’t swim IAS? If so, why? To try for an NVSL or team or pool record?

I have heard of some kids (a few? One or two? idk) swimming club prelim sessions to get a time and have no intention of swimming in finals. Was told they are swimming prelims to get a time drop. They get a drop and they’re done for the day.

Yes, according to some posters here their kids are doing just that, because Divisionals is "important to them as their last summer swim meet". Never mind that in doing so they are denying another swimmer a chance to qualify for and swim in IAS, however small they feel that chance may be. It's not like anyone has ever dropped time at Divisionals. And who cares if that next swimmer on the ladder is only a little bit slower and might actually have a chance at IAS, they'll do it anyway because it's all about them. After all, if you're a fast swimmer it's ok to disregard the intent of Divisionals. You get to make up your own rules because your parents have taught you that being fast means you get to act like a jerk.

You are way WAY too invested in your kid being able to swim at Divisionals. If your team has that many fast swimmers that the#6 swimmer in the age group would still make all stars but not Divisionals and you care this much, you should consider switching teams next year.

Nah. There are tons of examples of 3 all stars from one team in the same event. It just takes a smart and savvy team rep to advocate for #3 in the seeding meeting.

[Anonymous]

did PVS LC Open Champs last weekend have sweatshirts and tshirts with the iron-on strokes, team member lists for the back, etc etc?

the link for PVS LC Age Group Champs was to pre-order one tshirt and/or one sweatshirt with no customization

actually be nice if all they had was a $24 t-shirts and a $36 sweatshirt and no customization possible, much cheaper - and I do know that we don’t have to buy anything


and

there one shirt and one sweatshirt

[Anonymous]

LC Open Champs did not have merch at all last weekend and neither did the Jr/Sr champs meet in March.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NVSL:
Divisionals = Prelims to make IAS

oh this is completely ridiculous. Divisionals is a big meet in and of itself. They give out medals, its fun for the kids, etc. Its not just a prelim session for IAS. The vast majority of kids swimming in divisionals will never make all stars. (e.g. for each stroke there are 12 swimmers per division- 204 swimmers, of which 18 will make all stars. Its completely fine and appropriate for a kid to swim in divisionals even if they can't go to all stars.
Second, the idea that they are somehow 'depriving' a teammate of going to all stars is similarly absurd. Only the top 18 swimmers go to all stars. 2 kids on each team get to go to divisionals in each event. The idea that a kid who is 3rd on the ladder is going to make all stars if able to swim is exceedingly unlikely. This is demonstrated by skimming through the leaders board on NVSL website. In any given stroke it is super rare for 3 kids on the same team to be in the top 25. When it does happen, generally 1 if not 2 of those kids are the top in every stroke- and they have to pick 2 to swim. So in the land of hypotheticals- highly unlikely that three kids from the same team could make all stars. Highly unlikely that, in the rare circumstances that it occurs, those 3 kids all want to swim the same stroke.
Bottom line- if your kid is given a slot in divisionals, they should take it without guilt no matter their plans for all star weekend.

Look at 9-10 girls…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

Sure. But If they are that close together, none id them have an all star time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

Sure. But If they are that close together, none id them have an all star time.

What in the world are you even saying? Case in point —
https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-back&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-breast&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=3&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

And many teams have swimmers who never swam the event in A meets but have a very competitive top 18 time from B meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

Sure. But If they are that close together, none id them have an all star time.

What in the world are you even saying? Case in point —
https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-back&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-breast&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=3&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

And many teams have swimmers who never swam the event in A meets but have a very competitive top 18 time from B meets.

Yep, pretty easy to see that the third fastest on a team could still make IAS in some cases. Sometimes teams are stacked on certain age groups and strokes. So you are officially a jerk if you take a spot at divisionals knowing you will scratch, while denying a third swimmer with a legit chance at IAS.