As a Jew, I’m terrified

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Anonymous wrote:At some point, the consequences for the decisions of Israel are coming. Unfortunately for Jews, you will be exposed to the consequences for decisions you never made. Guess what? So will a lot of other people.

This is why the US should stop insulating Israel from the consequences of their decisions.

This. The majority of the leaders of the world, and especially the US leaders, have not denounced Israel and its actions. Honestly, all of the Jewish people around the world should have distanced themselves from Israel long ago. Separated themselves much like the Mormons did when they officially separated from the practice of polygamy.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Based on the values demonstrated in your stated views, I hope you don’t experience anything along the lines of what you fear because you don’t seem like part of the problem.

I’m in the same position as the OP you’re quoting here (though I’m not particularly terrified), but I’d note that I don’t think people who agree with what Israel or the U.S. is doing — or, for that matter, Palestinians who agree with but aren’t responsible for Hamas’s decisions — would deserve to experience any backlash for it, either.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

L. O. L. Jews face more hate crimes in the United States than Muslims by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE and always have, including right after 9/11. There is this persistent myth that Islamophobia is more of a threat and that’s simply, verifiably BS. Ask yourself honestly whether, in 2025 in America, Muslims who send their kids to Muslim schools have to worry that they will be attacked by a Jewish extremists. Now ask yourself the same question in reverse. Literally a couple weeks ago in Rockville, a man named Joseph Amr Khairy Abdalla was arrested outside a Jewish school with a knife. And when he was apprehended, he complained that the cops were “beating an Arab guy.” Give me a f-ing break.

People only like Jews when they are completely helpless, vulnerable, or dead. And Jews are just not willing to be any of those things anymore. Israelis are simply not going to see thousands of their civilians slaughtered in cold blood, kidnapped and taken hostage and just sit back and take it. No matter what the antisemites of the world have to say about it. We literally do not care anymore.

The number of people on here essentially saying “we think Khamenei should have nukes because Israel is the bad guy” tells you all you need to know. For the record, I am both Iranian and Jewish and have faced far far FAR more bigotry and hate in my life for the latter, despite most people assuming I am Muslim when I tell them I’m Iranian.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

[Anonymous]

Jewish people always make everything about them

It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At some point, the consequences for the decisions of Israel are coming. Unfortunately for Jews, you will be exposed to the consequences for decisions you never made. Guess what? So will a lot of other people.

This is why the US should stop insulating Israel from the consequences of their decisions.

This. The majority of the leaders of the world, and especially the US leaders, have not denounced Israel and its actions. Honestly, all of the Jewish people around the world should have distanced themselves from Israel long ago. Separated themselves much like the Mormons did when they officially separated from the practice of polygamy.

Take a deep breath, step back, and ask yourself why.

Do you really believe Israel is so powerful that it dictates how the US and other allies behaves?

It’s not.

The US and other allies (including Israel’s frenemies) recognize that Israel plays an important role in a dangerous region where certain extremism often controls entire countries for periods of time…sometimes requiring someone to step up and hit a reset button.

So ask yourself why we sometimes join forces with Israel or the Saudis or others.

Hint: there’s a reason. It’s black or white, and it’s never a slam dunk; rather, it’s the best choice when given an impossible dilemma in a region that has always been a powder keg.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Based on the values demonstrated in your stated views, I hope you don’t experience anything along the lines of what you fear because you don’t seem like part of the problem.

So Jews that support Israel deserve what, to be subjected to attacks here in the US?

DP they should at minimum be drafted in to the front line US units.

Only Jews, or also Christians who support Israel and support bombing Iran?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jewish people always make everything about them

It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

Seems reasonable for American Jews to worry that a war in the Middle East started by Israel might be bad for the Jews, though?

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

I think a lot of wars are fought because people think god is on their side, no matter the religion. Jews aren’t helped by the chosen people narrative.

It’s not that religion is the direct cause. It’s that the elite use religion as a way to get poor people to fight their wars for them. So, here we are arguing about what’s anti-religion, when that’s not the root cause.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

We don’t worry because we don’t belong to any synagogues or go to demonstrations. But there hasn’t been anything major in terms of people getting killed. You should worry more about Israelis and Palestinians. They are in real danger.

DP

Sure.

But Iran has been funding terror groups in multiple regions for quite some time. There are consequences for such things.

And now that the US has been dragged into it, it’s reasonable to worry about America and Americans—whether on American soil or abroad.

I wonder how Trump will navigate this…

While he’s big on retribution, he and his advisors probably didn’t see this coming.

The U.S. was not dragged into it. Trump and Miller have been itching for this fight. He wanted to invade Iran the first time around but we had sensible people at the pentagon.

Disagree.

I’m super liberal and can’t think of anything positive to say about Trump, but nonetheless I do not believe he was itching for war. Everything he has said and done—and everything his administration planned for over the last handful of years—pointed to isolationism and avoiding war.

Except for the part where he authorized massive bombs to be dropped on Iran and threatened more of the same — while also looking back fondly on the assassination he ordered of an Iranian general in his first term — sure.

Dropping bombs isn’t the same as boots on the ground.

Is your stance that the US shouldn’t take action to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons? Just curious.

If this were a blockbuster film, the sneak attack carpet bombing would have been a grand distraction for a coordinated mission by international special ops forces and assassins to quietly infiltrate Iran to handle the true mission.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

I think a lot of wars are fought because people think god is on their side, no matter the religion. Jews aren’t helped by the chosen people narrative.

It’s not that religion is the direct cause. It’s that the elite use religion as a way to get poor people to fight their wars for them. So, here we are arguing about what’s anti-religion, when that’s not the root cause.

Jews are an ethnic group (well technically three separate ethnic groups with Ashkenazi being the predominant group in the US). It’s not about religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I had no idea Stephen Miller was Jewish. Wow. I just assumed he was your basic evil wasp. It feels like a plot twist.

Yup, he's Jewish and he was raised religious. It would make complete sense to you if you knew observant Jews as well as I do, having married into such a family with no idea what I was getting myself into. The belief that only Jewish lives matter and the rest of the world consists of subhuman pawns to be moved about is very deeply held.

Pay attention to who and what Stephen Miller doesn't talk about or agitate against. You'll never see Stephen Miller targeting the many Israelis who overstay their visas, sending ICE to Brighton Beach where countless undocumented eastern European criminals most of whom are Jewish operate their crime syndicates, talking about the many Hasids who commit sophisticated community-wide welfare fraud schemes, or arguing that the billions of dollars Israel siphons each year are better spent here in America.

It will never be Jews he's targets as part of his "conservative" push to make more pie for himself by getting rid of as many mouths as possible.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:You should be.

Some might call what I'm about to write "antisemitic" but hiding behind that sneaky get out of jail free card isn't going to work anymore. I'm married to a Jewish man related to Israel lobbyists, so I have a front row seat to the callousness, racism, and greed of these people. OP, they're going to make collateral damage of Jews like you and they'll think it's all worth it to serve Israel.

Israel is a war mongering apartheid state that is parasitizing America. It could not continue its evil with impunity without the collusion of powerful American Jews whose loyalties lie with the Zionist project, rather than America. American Jews like Steve Miller and Bill Ackman are even targeting American kids on college campuses to silence them about Israel's evil.

The way Israel has consistently puppeteered American politicians to the detriment of Americans--with the collusion of monied American Jews, the genocide Israel is perpetrating--with the collusion of America Jews, the many Americans Israel has gotten killed and now will get killed thanks to the war it started with Iran--with the collusion of American Jews--all calls for a reckoning.

The anger is hardening and a well-deserved backlash is coming. It's not your imagination.

+1. 2 years ago, Israel was ranked about #97 on my list of concerns and I was very neutral/both sides about them. I could see why they felt under attack and I thought Palestine had some legitimate points. I thought the US should use its soft power to push for a two state solution, but otherwise stay out of It. I felt comfortable with my Jewish friends and co-workers. Now? When you talk about unstable homicidal regimes, I don’t think Israel is better than Iran. I think they dropped bombs first here. I still think the Us should use soft power to deescalate but otherwise stay out of it. And I’m furious Israel manipulated Trump into its war.

As for the Jewish people I know? Unless they are speaking up, I can’t know where they stand. So, I’m polite, but I’ve stopped engaging. But I do believe AIPAC is evil and people supporting it support terrorism and genocide. Which is a deal breaker for me. If I don’t know where you stand, it’s becoming much harder to govern you the benefit of the doubt. Especially when this comes on the heels of destroying valuable college research opportunities, in the name of “punishing antisemitism”.

Same here. It has been shocking to find how many Jews I know actively support the ongoing Palestinian genocide. These people are no better than the Germans who knew of the Holocaust and quietly supported it. I've gotten "too busy" lately to see most of the Jews I uses to consider friends and I don't think that's going to change.