Lifting or dragging students

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Is a school liable for PTSD caused to teachers that have to put up with unruly dangerous students while being constantly negatively reviewed by admin who paint them as bad teachers. These people that can ruin a teachers career are monsters imho.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he being physical or putting others in danger in anyway or just being annoying?

He is being very annoying, tantrums, screaming, throwing things and not listening at all. She doesn't like his behavior and will pick him up and take him out of the classroom while he is kicking and screaming.

Where are you located? This is a huge liability in most local public school systems.

Interesting. At what age is it not okay to pick up a kid? Daycare kids have to be picked up- or is that not okay also? Should a screaming 8month old never be picked up by a caregiver other than a parent? obviously no, but where is the age line for you? Many public schools have preschoolers,some have early head start is that okay?

Are there many 8 months old in public school?

You will see teachers in PK (especially special education preschool) letting kids climb up on them, but holding and moving a kid is a huge legal risk for the teacher or assistant because it can be considered restraint.

OP, cover your own rear and share what happened with admin. The long term sub is untrained and may not realize how seriously this is taken now.

Plenty of early head start kids in FPCS. I see SPED pre-K teachers lifting kids for diaper changes or to transition from stroller to stander to rest mat all the time. The trainer when we took restraint training said it was fine to pick up a kid if they are the age you would normally pick up which would vary based upon size of child and teacher. Plenty of preschool kids are carried around by family, caregivers and parents.

Again, since you didn’t answer the question: where is your line?

DP. I suspect you are trying to nitpick because you would like to find a loophole to justify why it would be okay to lift or drag a disruptive student. The trainer was correct that if you're helping a preschool aged child with a daily living activity such as getting a diaper changed or transitioning out of a stroller, it's okay. It's not okay to lift or drag a student who is having a tantrum or being obnoxious, especially if you're untrained.

No, I am pointing out that blanket statements like “Picking up a kid is a HUGE liability in public schools” don’t work because many teachers and caregivers do it and are required to for many reasons. Much of social media has statements like “never touch another persons kid” to caregivers when the truth is that is not humane treatment in many many situations. Caregiving has many shades of gray and it is frustrating when posters here attempt to make it a black and white issue. Life, especially life young children isn’t so easily categorized.

The ONLY people who regularly move or physically touch children are in early childhood special ed. I’ve worked in preschool and we were not picking kids up to move them. They have feet. I can hold their hand, but not their wrist (never the wrist because it can lead to pulling and therefore injury). Daycare has different rules, I am sure, but public school rules—especially in K, which is the given scenario here, are VERY clear. You do not pick up and move a child unless there is clear, immediate risk to them.

Whether you agree with it or see it as “humane” is immaterial. It’s the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he being physical or putting others in danger in anyway or just being annoying?

He is being very annoying, tantrums, screaming, throwing things and not listening at all. She doesn't like his behavior and will pick him up and take him out of the classroom while he is kicking and screaming.

Where are you located? This is a huge liability in most local public school systems.

Interesting. At what age is it not okay to pick up a kid? Daycare kids have to be picked up- or is that not okay also? Should a screaming 8month old never be picked up by a caregiver other than a parent? obviously no, but where is the age line for you? Many public schools have preschoolers,some have early head start is that okay?

Are there many 8 months old in public school?

You will see teachers in PK (especially special education preschool) letting kids climb up on them, but holding and moving a kid is a huge legal risk for the teacher or assistant because it can be considered restraint.

OP, cover your own rear and share what happened with admin. The long term sub is untrained and may not realize how seriously this is taken now.

Plenty of early head start kids in FPCS. I see SPED pre-K teachers lifting kids for diaper changes or to transition from stroller to stander to rest mat all the time. The trainer when we took restraint training said it was fine to pick up a kid if they are the age you would normally pick up which would vary based upon size of child and teacher. Plenty of preschool kids are carried around by family, caregivers and parents.

Again, since you didn’t answer the question: where is your line?

DP. I suspect you are trying to nitpick because you would like to find a loophole to justify why it would be okay to lift or drag a disruptive student. The trainer was correct that if you're helping a preschool aged child with a daily living activity such as getting a diaper changed or transitioning out of a stroller, it's okay. It's not okay to lift or drag a student who is having a tantrum or being obnoxious, especially if you're untrained.

No, I am pointing out that blanket statements like “Picking up a kid is a HUGE liability in public schools” don’t work because many teachers and caregivers do it and are required to for many reasons. Much of social media has statements like “never touch another persons kid” to caregivers when the truth is that is not humane treatment in many many situations. Caregiving has many shades of gray and it is frustrating when posters here attempt to make it a black and white issue. Life, especially life young children isn’t so easily categorized.

The ONLY people who regularly move or physically touch children are in early childhood special ed. I’ve worked in preschool and we were not picking kids up to move them. They have feet. I can hold their hand, but not their wrist (never the wrist because it can lead to pulling and therefore injury). Daycare has different rules, I am sure, but public school rules—especially in K, which is the given scenario here, are VERY clear. You do not pick up and move a child unless there is clear, immediate risk to them.

Whether you agree with it or see it as “humane” is immaterial. It’s the rules.

Teachers have been placed on administrative leave for stopping kids from running into the street. It is funny that the PP said that was their line, but even then teachers can be placed on leave. Apparently, it is better to have a car hit them or have the police find them later when they have run further away from the school.