Which University did the National Merit finalists go to

[Anonymous]

With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

Why would you take the public colleges out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

Why would you take the public colleges out?

Yes, why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of the very smart kids are solely taking the ACT now. So they aren’t prepped or care at all about PSAT. It’s optional now at our private.

The ACT is easier. Admissions knows that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of the very smart kids are solely taking the ACT now. So they aren’t prepped or care at all about PSAT. It’s optional now at our private.

I don’t understand these posts that basically can be translated to “my child is too intellectually superior to take a test that would measure if they are intellectually superior. The fact that your kid has an objective indicator of their academic strength proves they are academically inferior.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

Why would you take the public colleges out?

Because Emory becomes top 15!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of the very smart kids are solely taking the ACT now. So they aren’t prepped or care at all about PSAT. It’s optional now at our private.

I don’t understand these posts that basically can be translated to “my child is too intellectually superior to take a test that would measure if they are intellectually superior. The fact that your kid has an objective indicator of their academic strength proves they are academically inferior.”

I think you do know why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

Why would you take the public colleges out?

For the people interested in private schools?

[Anonymous]

The NMSF designation is one of the few merit-based things/signalers left.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. Alabama 323 [8,279 Freshmen, 3.9%]
2. Florida 297 [6,612 Freshmen 4.4%]
3. USC 262 [3,402 Freshmen, 7.7%]
4. Purdue 260 [9,353 Freshmen, 2.7%]
5. UT Dallas 232 [4,218 Freshmen, 5.5%]
6. Texas A&M 219 [12,419 Freshmen, 1.7%]
7. Vanderbilt 185 [1,624 Freshmen, 11.3%]
8. Harvard 160 [1,644 Freshmen, 9.7%]
9. MIT 154 [1,136 Freshmen, 13.5%]
10. Penn 147 [2,415 Freshmen, 6%]
11. UMD 144 [5,821 Freshmen, 2.5%]
12. Stanford 129 [1,733 Freshmen, 7.4%]
13. Yale 127 [1,554 Freshmen, 8%]
14. Princeton 116 [1,497 Freshmen, 7.7%]
15. Northeastern 97 [2,519 Freshmen, 3.9%]
16. Duke 94 [1,744 Freshmen, 5.3%]
17. UC Berkeley 93 [6,707 Freshmen, 1.4%]
18. Georgia Tech 90 [3,646 Freshmen, 2.5%]
19. UCF 85 [7,512 Freshmen, 1.1%]
20. UT Austin 85 [9,109 Freshmen, .9%]
21. Oklahoma 84
22. Minnesota 79
23. BU 77 [3,635 Freshmen, 2.1%]
24. UCLA 77 [6,461 Freshmen, 1.2%]
25. USF 77 [6,773 Freshmen, 1.1%]
26. Michigan 76 [7,050 Freshmen, 1%]
27. Columbia 75 [1,522 Freshmen, 4.9%]
28. Northwestern 75 [2,038 Freshmen, 3.7%]
29. Brown 69 [1,717 Freshmen, 4%]
30. Emory 67 [1,424 Freshmen, 4.7%]
31. Indiana 67 [9,736 Freshmen, .7%]
32. Arizona 65 [9,069 Freshmen, .7%]
33. Tufts 63 [1,694 Freshmen, 3.7%]
34. ASU 62 [10,022 Freshmen, .6%]
35. Georgia 60 [6,250 Freshmen, 1%]
36. BYU 59 [5,567 Freshmen, 1%]
37. Georgetown 56 [1,603 Freshmen, 3.5%]
38. Case Western 55 [1,553 Freshmen, 3.5%]
39. Cornell 54 [3,491 Freshmen, 1.5%]
40. Rice 51 [1,201 Freshmen, 4.3%]
41. Dartmouth 49 [1,124 Freshmen, 4.4%]
42. Michigan State 49 [9,829 Freshmen .5%]
43. Johns Hopkins 48 [1,406 Freshmen 3.4%]
44. UChicago 48 [2,053 Freshmen, 2.3%]
45. Carnegie Mellon 47 [1,716 Freshmen, 2.7%]
46. Clemson 45 [4,588 Freshmen, .99%]
47. Missouri 45 [4,983 Freshmen, .9%]
48. NYU 44 [6,184 Freshmen, .7%]
49. Miss State 43 [3,367 Freshmen, 1.2%]
50. Rutgers 43 [7,780 Freshmen, .5%]
51. UNC 40 [4,689 Freshmen, .8%]
52. Illinois 39 [8,297 Freshmen, .5%]
53. Oklahoma State 36 [4,643 Freshmen, .7%]
54. Iowa State 35
55. UVA 35 [4,020 Freshmen, .9%]

So much for only finding “intellectual equals” at expensive, selective privates.

This is nonsensical. Clearly if you attend a school like MIT where the average SAT score is a 1570…you basically will run into your intellectual equal all the time in every class vs Alabama where the average is 1200.

The point is is that there are enough top academic students at a lot of colleges, to provide an academic peer group. No top academic kid will be held back or stifled by attending a school below that arbitrary T-50 designation.

It all depends what you are after in life.

MIT spawns tons of student startups that attract VC and Alabama spawns almost none.

So, sure…you may find your group that you find at your same intellect…but it’s clearly a different attitude towards life so the kid looking to create a great new company may feel quite stifled.

You are ridiculous. No kid looking to create a new company will be stifled anywhere. If anything they are more likely to be actually stifled if surrounded by a bunch of people gunning for the exact same thing. Nearly every college we visited has an incubator lab funded by that college's alumni. A student at a small school may be in a much better position to get the funding they need before graduation.

Well, this was a comparison between MIT and Alabama…not a small school.

But if your thesis is true, why are there few startups coming out these random schools you describe.

Gunning is the wrong word…startups aren’t in competition with each other unless they literally are competing in the same market. You want to find other students that want to be co-founders with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

#9 Northeastern
Haters are dying

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. Alabama 323 [8,279 Freshmen, 3.9%]
2. Florida 297 [6,612 Freshmen 4.4%]
3. USC 262 [3,402 Freshmen, 7.7%]
4. Purdue 260 [9,353 Freshmen, 2.7%]
5. UT Dallas 232 [4,218 Freshmen, 5.5%]
6. Texas A&M 219 [12,419 Freshmen, 1.7%]
7. Vanderbilt 185 [1,624 Freshmen, 11.3%]
8. Harvard 160 [1,644 Freshmen, 9.7%]
9. MIT 154 [1,136 Freshmen, 13.5%]
10. Penn 147 [2,415 Freshmen, 6%]
11. UMD 144 [5,821 Freshmen, 2.5%]
12. Stanford 129 [1,733 Freshmen, 7.4%]
13. Yale 127 [1,554 Freshmen, 8%]
14. Princeton 116 [1,497 Freshmen, 7.7%]
15. Northeastern 97 [2,519 Freshmen, 3.9%]
16. Duke 94 [1,744 Freshmen, 5.3%]
17. UC Berkeley 93 [6,707 Freshmen, 1.4%]
18. Georgia Tech 90 [3,646 Freshmen, 2.5%]
19. UCF 85 [7,512 Freshmen, 1.1%]
20. UT Austin 85 [9,109 Freshmen, .9%]
21. Oklahoma 84
22. Minnesota 79
23. BU 77 [3,635 Freshmen, 2.1%]
24. UCLA 77 [6,461 Freshmen, 1.2%]
25. USF 77 [6,773 Freshmen, 1.1%]
26. Michigan 76 [7,050 Freshmen, 1%]
27. Columbia 75 [1,522 Freshmen, 4.9%]
28. Northwestern 75 [2,038 Freshmen, 3.7%]
29. Brown 69 [1,717 Freshmen, 4%]
30. Emory 67 [1,424 Freshmen, 4.7%]
31. Indiana 67 [9,736 Freshmen, .7%]
32. Arizona 65 [9,069 Freshmen, .7%]
33. Tufts 63 [1,694 Freshmen, 3.7%]
34. ASU 62 [10,022 Freshmen, .6%]
35. Georgia 60 [6,250 Freshmen, 1%]
36. BYU 59 [5,567 Freshmen, 1%]
37. Georgetown 56 [1,603 Freshmen, 3.5%]
38. Case Western 55 [1,553 Freshmen, 3.5%]
39. Cornell 54 [3,491 Freshmen, 1.5%]
40. Rice 51 [1,201 Freshmen, 4.3%]
41. Dartmouth 49 [1,124 Freshmen, 4.4%]
42. Michigan State 49 [9,829 Freshmen .5%]
43. Johns Hopkins 48 [1,406 Freshmen 3.4%]
44. UChicago 48 [2,053 Freshmen, 2.3%]
45. Carnegie Mellon 47 [1,716 Freshmen, 2.7%]
46. Clemson 45 [4,588 Freshmen, .99%]
47. Missouri 45 [4,983 Freshmen, .9%]
48. NYU 44 [6,184 Freshmen, .7%]
49. Miss State 43 [3,367 Freshmen, 1.2%]
50. Rutgers 43 [7,780 Freshmen, .5%]
51. UNC 40 [4,689 Freshmen, .8%]
52. Illinois 39 [8,297 Freshmen, .5%]
53. Oklahoma State 36 [4,643 Freshmen, .7%]
54. Iowa State 35
55. UVA 35 [4,020 Freshmen, .9%]

Since SAT/ACT overrides PSAT, the list is meaningless. Besides you already have handy 25/75 SAT/ACT for T 10 colleges and for them 25 percentile is more than 1510 /35 or so and this is indeed analogous to NSMF threshold ( so more than 75% of the body who reported).
Moreover many students /schools don’t participate in PSAT

I have a kid with both a NMSF score and an SAT score of 1550+. The big difference is the PSAT only offers one bite at the apple. No super score, no taking the test multiple times.

I have no complaint about taking the SAT multiple times or super scoring, but that does make higher scores much more achievable for the SAT than the PSAT.

True…but something is off with PSATs vs SATs because there are far more Presidential Scholars vs NMSFs.

Presidential Scholars are like 1580+ SAT scores in one sitting (and then there are some of that get the designation for something other than SAT scores but it’s less than 5%).

Do many kids not take the PSAT?

There are only 600+ US Presidential Scholar Semifinalists and 100+ Presidential Scholars in the country.

I was using the incorrect terminology…5,000 qualify based on the single sitting SAT scores, then 651 become semifinalists based on essays and other criteria and 151 finalists.

So the 5,000 is the equivalent for NMSF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:1. Alabama 323 [8,279 Freshmen, 3.9%]
2. Florida 297 [6,612 Freshmen 4.4%]
3. USC 262 [3,402 Freshmen, 7.7%]
4. Purdue 260 [9,353 Freshmen, 2.7%]
5. UT Dallas 232 [4,218 Freshmen, 5.5%]
6. Texas A&M 219 [12,419 Freshmen, 1.7%]
7. Vanderbilt 185 [1,624 Freshmen, 11.3%]
8. Harvard 160 [1,644 Freshmen, 9.7%]
9. MIT 154 [1,136 Freshmen, 13.5%]
10. Penn 147 [2,415 Freshmen, 6%]
11. UMD 144 [5,821 Freshmen, 2.5%]
12. Stanford 129 [1,733 Freshmen, 7.4%]
13. Yale 127 [1,554 Freshmen, 8%]
14. Princeton 116 [1,497 Freshmen, 7.7%]
15. Northeastern 97 [2,519 Freshmen, 3.9%]
16. Duke 94 [1,744 Freshmen, 5.3%]
17. UC Berkeley 93 [6,707 Freshmen, 1.4%]
18. Georgia Tech 90 [3,646 Freshmen, 2.5%]
19. UCF 85 [7,512 Freshmen, 1.1%]
20. UT Austin 85 [9,109 Freshmen, .9%]
21. Oklahoma 84
22. Minnesota 79
23. BU 77 [3,635 Freshmen, 2.1%]
24. UCLA 77 [6,461 Freshmen, 1.2%]
25. USF 77 [6,773 Freshmen, 1.1%]
26. Michigan 76 [7,050 Freshmen, 1%]
27. Columbia 75 [1,522 Freshmen, 4.9%]
28. Northwestern 75 [2,038 Freshmen, 3.7%]
29. Brown 69 [1,717 Freshmen, 4%]
30. Emory 67 [1,424 Freshmen, 4.7%]
31. Indiana 67 [9,736 Freshmen, .7%]
32. Arizona 65 [9,069 Freshmen, .7%]
33. Tufts 63 [1,694 Freshmen, 3.7%]
34. ASU 62 [10,022 Freshmen, .6%]
35. Georgia 60 [6,250 Freshmen, 1%]
36. BYU 59 [5,567 Freshmen, 1%]
37. Georgetown 56 [1,603 Freshmen, 3.5%]
38. Case Western 55 [1,553 Freshmen, 3.5%]
39. Cornell 54 [3,491 Freshmen, 1.5%]
40. Rice 51 [1,201 Freshmen, 4.3%]
41. Dartmouth 49 [1,124 Freshmen, 4.4%]
42. Michigan State 49 [9,829 Freshmen .5%]
43. Johns Hopkins 48 [1,406 Freshmen 3.4%]
44. UChicago 48 [2,053 Freshmen, 2.3%]
45. Carnegie Mellon 47 [1,716 Freshmen, 2.7%]
46. Clemson 45 [4,588 Freshmen, .99%]
47. Missouri 45 [4,983 Freshmen, .9%]
48. NYU 44 [6,184 Freshmen, .7%]
49. Miss State 43 [3,367 Freshmen, 1.2%]
50. Rutgers 43 [7,780 Freshmen, .5%]
51. UNC 40 [4,689 Freshmen, .8%]
52. Illinois 39 [8,297 Freshmen, .5%]
53. Oklahoma State 36 [4,643 Freshmen, .7%]
54. Iowa State 35
55. UVA 35 [4,020 Freshmen, .9%]

So much for only finding “intellectual equals” at expensive, selective privates.

Smartest kids are spread out not concentrated in a handful of schools anymore.

I would argue that the distribution of the 2500 NMS scholarships that are directly from NMSC and not awarded by a sponsoring school or by a corporation) may be a better correlate of “quality” than raw total scholarships.

For example, Alabama is at the top of this list. But 271 of the 323 reported scholarships are from Alabama itself (84%). In contrast, for others (eg MIT, Harvard etc), that number is zero.

If you express NMSC scholars as a % enrolled, the usual suspects will further show up at the top.

+1

[Anonymous]

The reality is MIT attracts and admits the truly brilliant kids, not the ones that had to be prepped and ground to dust to achieve the top test scores/gpa. There's a huge difference between these types of people, even if every parent thinks their kid is special, they're not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is MIT attracts and admits the truly brilliant kids, not the ones that had to be prepped and ground to dust to achieve the top test scores/gpa. There's a huge difference between these types of people, even if every parent thinks their kid is special, they're not.

WTF people don't prep for PSAT.
MIT is the one said test is very important indicator and it was one of the first schools went back to test required LOL
DUH