if you’re working after hours do you check to see who’s status is green?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Yea for you. Our dentist does not have weekend hours and office is not near a metro. 1-2 hours each way with traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Yea for you. Our dentist does not have weekend hours and office is not near a metro. 1-2 hours each way with traffic.

Oh, and none of our doctors work weekends. It’s the er, urgent care or on,one doc.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

What standard of morality are you applying to reach this conclusion?

I book my dental cleaning six months in advance. I go every six months so I always book a 7am Friday appointment. Lightest day at work meeting wise.

Sure Root Canal, Wisdom teeth yes take off. But I for instance had guy across the street my office do implants and gum surgery at lunch time. I still could go back to work no problem. But pulling wisdom teeth that deserves a day off. Also a colonscopy. Not a teeth cleaning or check up.

This has to be J1/J2 time. There is no “deserves” a day off. Sometimes an appointment takes too long to bother to to work between commutes and other constraints. It’s hardly a day off to get my teeth polished with bubble gum crud.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

Healthy Smiles Dental for instance in Falls Church for instance has these hours. There is no reason to schedule dental cleanings during work hours. When I had young kids I literally would have a 8am cleaning done on a Saturday. Kids were still in bed or pjs and spouse home. My spouse would do same thing. Dentists are like car washers or Jiffy Lube they are open nearly all the time.

Mon
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Tue
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Wed
12:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Thu
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Fri
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sat
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sun
11:00 AM - 4:00 PM

Bad reviews. https://www.yelp.com/biz/healthy-smiles-dental-falls-church

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

DP, but this is a weird statement. There is nothing wrong with making a medical appointment during work hours. In fact there is no moral requirement to only receive healthcare during personal time.

We are specifically allowed to use our sick leave for medical appointments. I recently had an appointment that could only be mid-day or else I’d have to wait a couple more months for another opening. Commuting an hour + each way (2 hours round trip at least) to sit in an office for 3 hours is stupid. I’d spend almost as much time commuting as I would working. And I can’t just come in super early because I have kids to get to school. FWIW I used credit hours for half the day and sick leave for the other half (during the appointment time).

In fact I pretty much always have to schedule my appointments during work hours because of childcare reasons (my spouse works as well and has a less flexible schedule than me). And aside from my kids’ ped office and a walk-in clinic at my primary’s (which is for urgent care type issues), all my doctors (derm, dentist, allergist, primary, gastro) are open during normal business hours. Add in a kid with special needs who has an appointment every other month and it looks like I’ll be using a lot of leave and skipping out on the commute.

Also, I used to be able to squeeze in a quick lunchtime telehealth appointment for routine stuff. But there is literally nowhere to have a private call in my building. Conference rooms are full. Even the lactation room and break room are being used for seating.

Excuses. I can take meeting on my laptop with phone hot spot anywhere. I do it car or park near work if I have too. And there is a thing called a husband. He can help out.

The fact that you are this devoted to your place of employment is crazy. As a government employee, we have been shown that our employer gives no effs about us, so yeah not really going to bend over backwards to schedule medical appointments in a way that would benefit them. We are specifically authorized to take leave for medical appointments not just when we are sick, so take leave I will.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

Healthy Smiles Dental for instance in Falls Church for instance has these hours. There is no reason to schedule dental cleanings during work hours. When I had young kids I literally would have a 8am cleaning done on a Saturday. Kids were still in bed or pjs and spouse home. My spouse would do same thing. Dentists are like car washers or Jiffy Lube they are open nearly all the time.

Mon
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Tue
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Wed
12:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Thu
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Fri
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sat
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sun
11:00 AM - 4:00 PM

That practice has one dentist on staff

https://www.myfallschurchdentist.com/

She is not working all those hours so something is up there.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

This is insane. I get them not wanting people to leave early, but why would they possibly care about employees giving the government *extra* time? Especially given the stories of DOGE people sleeping in their offices to facilitate longer shifts…

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

DP, but this is a weird statement. There is nothing wrong with making a medical appointment during work hours. In fact there is no moral requirement to only receive healthcare during personal time.

We are specifically allowed to use our sick leave for medical appointments. I recently had an appointment that could only be mid-day or else I’d have to wait a couple more months for another opening. Commuting an hour + each way (2 hours round trip at least) to sit in an office for 3 hours is stupid. I’d spend almost as much time commuting as I would working. And I can’t just come in super early because I have kids to get to school. FWIW I used credit hours for half the day and sick leave for the other half (during the appointment time).

In fact I pretty much always have to schedule my appointments during work hours because of childcare reasons (my spouse works as well and has a less flexible schedule than me). And aside from my kids’ ped office and a walk-in clinic at my primary’s (which is for urgent care type issues), all my doctors (derm, dentist, allergist, primary, gastro) are open during normal business hours. Add in a kid with special needs who has an appointment every other month and it looks like I’ll be using a lot of leave and skipping out on the commute.

Also, I used to be able to squeeze in a quick lunchtime telehealth appointment for routine stuff. But there is literally nowhere to have a private call in my building. Conference rooms are full. Even the lactation room and break room are being used for seating.

Excuses. I can take meeting on my laptop with phone hot spot anywhere. I do it car or park near work if I have too. And there is a thing called a husband. He can help out.

Well many of us are feds and they've made it a fireable offense to telework.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

This is insane. I get them not wanting people to leave early, but why would they possibly care about employees giving the government *extra* time? Especially given the stories of DOGE people sleeping in their offices to facilitate longer shifts…

NP. My office has never been allowed to work past 6. The guards leave even.

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I have found in my years of working that those who stay late at work are not the most productive. They are just typically single or hate their families and don't want to go home on time. The most productive one I know of works 7-3:30 and she always leaves on time. If you need something done, you ask her. ADHD Bob who hates his wife, can't get his normal tasks done and stays late is not the person to ask.

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Which agency is this where you are not allowed to work past 6? I am at State and have always had to work occasional (sometimes frequent depending on what’s going on) nights/weekends for no OT or comp time.

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Well sure, if I want to contact them. Otherwise why would I care.

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Anonymous wrote:Which agency is this where you are not allowed to work past 6? I am at State and have always had to work occasional (sometimes frequent depending on what’s going on) nights/weekends for no OT or comp time.

Same at DOJ.

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To see who else lacks work-life balance and boundaries?

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Anonymous wrote:Which agency is this where you are not allowed to work past 6? I am at State and have always had to work occasional (sometimes frequent depending on what’s going on) nights/weekends for no OT or comp time.

SSA can’t, unless you are working authorized OT on a Saturday. We had an extended flex band until last month, but it was terminated. Now, we can be fired for working after 6. And people have been— even by a few minutes. For HQ people housed in the Manasses FO, it’s apparently 5:30. DOGE is under pressure from Congress not to RIF. This is a backdoor RIF.