if you’re working after hours do you check to see who’s status is green?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

What standard of morality are you applying to reach this conclusion?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

DP, but this is a weird statement. There is nothing wrong with making a medical appointment during work hours. In fact there is no moral requirement to only receive healthcare during personal time.

We are specifically allowed to use our sick leave for medical appointments. I recently had an appointment that could only be mid-day or else I’d have to wait a couple more months for another opening. Commuting an hour + each way (2 hours round trip at least) to sit in an office for 3 hours is stupid. I’d spend almost as much time commuting as I would working. And I can’t just come in super early because I have kids to get to school. FWIW I used credit hours for half the day and sick leave for the other half (during the appointment time).

In fact I pretty much always have to schedule my appointments during work hours because of childcare reasons (my spouse works as well and has a less flexible schedule than me). And aside from my kids’ ped office and a walk-in clinic at my primary’s (which is for urgent care type issues), all my doctors (derm, dentist, allergist, primary, gastro) are open during normal business hours. Add in a kid with special needs who has an appointment every other month and it looks like I’ll be using a lot of leave and skipping out on the commute.

Also, I used to be able to squeeze in a quick lunchtime telehealth appointment for routine stuff. But there is literally nowhere to have a private call in my building. Conference rooms are full. Even the lactation room and break room are being used for seating.

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^^ And I’ll add that even if I could schedule a medical appointment at 7 PM or whatever time not during work hours I wouldn’t. Because that is my personal time to spend with family.

If I want to purposefully schedule an appointment mid day and use my accrued leave that is what it is there for.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

This isn't every Fed office. My dh had 10/12 of his staff leave in the two Forks (there's a rumor that his office will be shut down in the RIF which hasn't happened yet, so everyone bolted). He's now on his work laptop at the dining room table from when he gets home until when he goes to bed trying to keep things moving in his office. His office oversees/authorizes contracts for ongoing projects so if the work doesn't get done, the whole system breaks down-- contractors don't work, services stop, etc. I *wish* they prohibited him from bringing home the laptop or working past 6.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

What standard of morality are you applying to reach this conclusion?

I book my dental cleaning six months in advance. I go every six months so I always book a 7am Friday appointment. Lightest day at work meeting wise.

Sure Root Canal, Wisdom teeth yes take off. But I for instance had guy across the street my office do implants and gum surgery at lunch time. I still could go back to work no problem. But pulling wisdom teeth that deserves a day off. Also a colonscopy. Not a teeth cleaning or check up.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

DP, but this is a weird statement. There is nothing wrong with making a medical appointment during work hours. In fact there is no moral requirement to only receive healthcare during personal time.

We are specifically allowed to use our sick leave for medical appointments. I recently had an appointment that could only be mid-day or else I’d have to wait a couple more months for another opening. Commuting an hour + each way (2 hours round trip at least) to sit in an office for 3 hours is stupid. I’d spend almost as much time commuting as I would working. And I can’t just come in super early because I have kids to get to school. FWIW I used credit hours for half the day and sick leave for the other half (during the appointment time).

In fact I pretty much always have to schedule my appointments during work hours because of childcare reasons (my spouse works as well and has a less flexible schedule than me). And aside from my kids’ ped office and a walk-in clinic at my primary’s (which is for urgent care type issues), all my doctors (derm, dentist, allergist, primary, gastro) are open during normal business hours. Add in a kid with special needs who has an appointment every other month and it looks like I’ll be using a lot of leave and skipping out on the commute.

Also, I used to be able to squeeze in a quick lunchtime telehealth appointment for routine stuff. But there is literally nowhere to have a private call in my building. Conference rooms are full. Even the lactation room and break room are being used for seating.

Excuses. I can take meeting on my laptop with phone hot spot anywhere. I do it car or park near work if I have too. And there is a thing called a husband. He can help out.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Fired for logging out at 6:03 and saying 6?! That’s insane. I’m wondering what agency. My DH is a Fed but it hasn’t quite come to that yet.

Nope. It’s real. They are trying to hit their target without actual RIFs. Congress is very upsets about RIFs in our agency. So are looking for any reason to fire for cause. Our union is grieving this on the behalf of the handful of people fired. But rule is 5 minute grace period on login in (takes time to get laptop up and into WebTA). Must log out to the minute. DOGE is in the building and also firing people on the spot who lock their laptops but forget to grab their PIV card when going to the restroom. As in Doge employees walk around multiple times a day looking for this. They caught some people, especially in early RTO. Also the subject of a union grievance. Calling it a PII violation. Instant termination, no write up and second chance.

DOGE is more burrowed into our agency and more involved in the restriction than probably any federal agency they aren’t dissolving. And the restructuring is BAD. Unworkably bad.

Which agency? This is anonymous so no harm in naming it.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

Healthy Smiles Dental for instance in Falls Church for instance has these hours. There is no reason to schedule dental cleanings during work hours. When I had young kids I literally would have a 8am cleaning done on a Saturday. Kids were still in bed or pjs and spouse home. My spouse would do same thing. Dentists are like car washers or Jiffy Lube they are open nearly all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

Healthy Smiles Dental for instance in Falls Church for instance has these hours. There is no reason to schedule dental cleanings during work hours. When I had young kids I literally would have a 8am cleaning done on a Saturday. Kids were still in bed or pjs and spouse home. My spouse would do same thing. Dentists are like car washers or Jiffy Lube they are open nearly all the time.

Mon
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
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9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
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9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
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9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
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11:00 AM - 4:00 PM

This is so repugnant. I will go to the dentist when it works best for my schedule and with my leave.

I do not support these chain dentists. They push procedures and money over the health of my teeth. These VCs are purchasing up good dentist offices and replacing them with junk like this. FWIW my dentist only works 7-3:30 Monday- Thursday. I fully support his ability to be home with his own family for dinner and on weekends.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

This isn't every Fed office. My dh had 10/12 of his staff leave in the two Forks (there's a rumor that his office will be shut down in the RIF which hasn't happened yet, so everyone bolted). He's now on his work laptop at the dining room table from when he gets home until when he goes to bed trying to keep things moving in his office. His office oversees/authorizes contracts for ongoing projects so if the work doesn't get done, the whole system breaks down-- contractors don't work, services stop, etc. I *wish* they prohibited him from bringing home the laptop or working past 6.

I agree with the pp- your spouse should not be doing this. We were told we can be fired for working from home, even after hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

This isn't every Fed office. My dh had 10/12 of his staff leave in the two Forks (there's a rumor that his office will be shut down in the RIF which hasn't happened yet, so everyone bolted). He's now on his work laptop at the dining room table from when he gets home until when he goes to bed trying to keep things moving in his office. His office oversees/authorizes contracts for ongoing projects so if the work doesn't get done, the whole system breaks down-- contractors don't work, services stop, etc. I *wish* they prohibited him from bringing home the laptop or working past 6.

I appreciate his commitment, but honestly I wish people would just let the system break. If 90% of the staff leaves and things keep running as normal, then DOGE and the public at large will assume the work can be done with fewer people.

It is time for Feds to just let the chips fall where they fall. In the long term it isn’t doing anyone any good to have people breaking themselves and not seeing their families to keep up appearances.

The reality is ugly. Let it be shown.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

Some of us pick our doctors because of their skills, not their location.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

DP, but this is a weird statement. There is nothing wrong with making a medical appointment during work hours. In fact there is no moral requirement to only receive healthcare during personal time.

We are specifically allowed to use our sick leave for medical appointments. I recently had an appointment that could only be mid-day or else I’d have to wait a couple more months for another opening. Commuting an hour + each way (2 hours round trip at least) to sit in an office for 3 hours is stupid. I’d spend almost as much time commuting as I would working. And I can’t just come in super early because I have kids to get to school. FWIW I used credit hours for half the day and sick leave for the other half (during the appointment time).

In fact I pretty much always have to schedule my appointments during work hours because of childcare reasons (my spouse works as well and has a less flexible schedule than me). And aside from my kids’ ped office and a walk-in clinic at my primary’s (which is for urgent care type issues), all my doctors (derm, dentist, allergist, primary, gastro) are open during normal business hours. Add in a kid with special needs who has an appointment every other month and it looks like I’ll be using a lot of leave and skipping out on the commute.

Also, I used to be able to squeeze in a quick lunchtime telehealth appointment for routine stuff. But there is literally nowhere to have a private call in my building. Conference rooms are full. Even the lactation room and break room are being used for seating.

Excuses. I can take meeting on my laptop with phone hot spot anywhere. I do it car or park near work if I have too. And there is a thing called a husband. He can help out.

Well I deal with PII and am not allowed to to work anywhere off a hot spot. ODS only.

And my DH does help out, but his ability to help out doesn’t always perfectly align with doctor office availability.

Plus regardless … part of my compensation package includes paid leave to attend medical appointments. So I will use that leave to attend medical appointments.

What is next, are you going to suggest we not use our health benefits? Not take vacations? Not use the flex band?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. I’m a Fed. Laptop now must stay in the office and we can be terminated for working after 6. Folks have been fired for logging out at 6:03 or 5:57 and putting 6. Extended flex band gone. In the before times, I was working credit 6-8pm about half the time. Now not allowed. Annoying because with people out of the office and off Teams, it was my most productive time of the day. Having to commute obviously makes working after 6 impractical, even if it were allowed.

But if Elmo demands that I work less, so be it. Our offices productivity (which has been closely monitored for years) has tanked. We will almost certainly miss goal— by 1000+ plus cases. First time in at least a decade we haven’t crushed our FY goal by August. So much burn out and apathy. Having to take a full day for a dentist appointment also doesn’t help.

All the disruption is and chaos is a productivity drain. Our most experienced folks were able to VERA. And 12 people around a conference table without second monitors isn’t productive x especially since we are constantly on the phone or Teams meetings.

Too bad, so sad. This is what Trump voters wanted. (Our workloads are heavily focused on red states’). My salary stays the same, even if my productivity goes down.

Why would you need to take a day off for Dentist. I pick Dentists with Saturday hours or early or late hours. My Dentist who was located by the train station commuters took had one early day a week, one late day a week and open 1/2 day on Saturday. I pick 7am appointments, 7 pm appointments, or Sat appointments. The Pediatrician and OBGYN nears my house was open all day Saturday. Most Moms work. They were close Sunday and one day during week.

My current doctor and Dentist in MoCo both open at 7am. I work in NOVA. I go before work.

If sick yes I call out sick. But a physical or Dental appointment just pick a place with hours that suit your needs

Because my commute is 1.5 to 2 hours each way (was 1/2 hour before COVID, but we went fill telework and gave the buildings up, so that’s what we got instead). And chose my dentist during full telework— guaranteed under my union agreement until 2029.

Plus, I have a ton of sick leave. Why not burn it rather than racing in for 3-4 hours. That’s more time commuting than working. Pass. Normally, I would have worked a full day at home, with the extended flex band. I’m not doing more commute time than working time because all I is a control freak. He wants only in office. Fine. I schedule dentist appointments such that I can just take the day.

Our efficiency is f-%ked anyway with RTO.

So pick a doctor near the office. I go for eye check ups and stuff by office. it is great. Also I miss traffic. You chose to give up your building so that is on you. My old company went to full remote and had building, but we had a significant amount of young people with roomates in small apartments who lived near office who did not want to work from home, married men with SAHM wives and Boomers who like to go to work. They voluntarily wanted to go to office. Everyone else stayed home 2020 to 2024. They are not going back and guess what their desk and office still there. Why the people who came in.

My other old company their staff almost no one wanted to come to office, they gave up lease and now struggling as rents have shot up and they gave up 80 percent of office space and they are crammed like sardines or commuting to far off locations.

OMG. What about my post makes you think I’m the person who decides which federal leases to keep and which to terminate after COVID. My agency’s decision made 5 layers above me to terminate leases in 2022 because we were all FT telework and they were empty, with a union contract guaranteeing that for 5 years I signed and a successful transition to full telework done. No one asked me my opinion on terminating these leases.

And I like my doctors. I’m not changing them because Elmo is a dictator. I’ll take my some of my zillion hours of sick leave and just take a full day. Why wouldn’t I? Besides, this situation isn’t stable. I find someone near by office, my ODS or telework posture could change tomorrow morning or I could be RIF’d. Then doctors 1.5 hours away is moronic. DOGE is too unstable to do things like change doctors. Location , telework days, etc could change tomorrow. We had a detail for from full RTO to 2 days a week, back to full telework next week because space constraints and they lost too many people who could perform the job function. Everything is on flux.

If they want to give me telework, I’ll flex band and do 8 hours. If the are making me commute, not going iin unless I can work a full day. If you want to rearrange your medical care to suit Elmo’s whims, that’s on you.

And BTW— I’m whatever more critical the mission critical is in my agency. I’m not allowed to DRP, VERA, VSIP, etc. and I desperately want out of this sh*tshow and can’t without a flat out resignation. Which will happen, but I need to line up another job first. I’m fine with being RIF’d. We move, I have a law license in a different state. And I’d take a year of severance with me. And I’d b emOUT! So RIF me because you don’t like it. PLEASE RIF ME. You can’t fire for cause. These are legit appointments and I can provide documentation. I’m sure to make around noon. No rime to go in before or after and be within core hours. Too bad, so sad. That’s what all the hours of sick leave are for.

Speaking of which, gotta get off DCUM and get ready for a 12:30 appointment. Paid day of for 20 minute biannual check with a specialist. During would just flex about for an hour or a bit more (part of the lunch) and start an hour early. Now, DCUm and chill.

Yes you and your co-workers did. My old job like yours guaranteed full time remote work. But a large part of company voluntarily came to work every day so kept lease. If no one came would have canceled lease.

None of your appointments are morally legit if you are purposely making them during work hours to get off work.

Going to the dentist doesn’t suck enough? Now you have to make “morally legitimate” dentist appointments? GTFO

Healthy Smiles Dental for instance in Falls Church for instance has these hours. There is no reason to schedule dental cleanings during work hours. When I had young kids I literally would have a 8am cleaning done on a Saturday. Kids were still in bed or pjs and spouse home. My spouse would do same thing. Dentists are like car washers or Jiffy Lube they are open nearly all the time.

Mon
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Tue
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Wed
12:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Thu
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Fri
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sat
9:00 AM - 8:00 PM
Sun
11:00 AM - 4:00 PM

What do you not understand about the fact that some people don’t want to use their weekend time for a dentist appointment? Sorry, but I have way better stuff to be doing than getting my teeth cleaned on a weekend morning.

But I am a competent and efficient employee who can get my workloads completed on time even with a mid week dental appointment. I’m sorry you can’t swing that.