USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

DP. Lol. I am not a Fed but I rarely stay in the office for more than 5-6 hours unless I have a heavy meeting load, which is rare. And yes I do telework at home. I get so much head’s down work done in peace (thoughtful email replies, reviewing my team’s output, strategic thinking). I am so glad some companies realize it’s possible to hire talented people and not babysit them.

Do you keep a timecard? - I suspect not, but that is Fed Life. And Feds know that is the rule, so RTO means canceling of all telework - which needs annotated on the timecard. This person seems to have still been teleworking on a daily basis. Feds are also not authorized to telework if there are children dependent on the adult for care in the home. If maxiflex means regular periods of telework each week then by effect maxiflex was canceled.

Are you a fed? Maxi flex is literally the only way I can pick up my kids on time. The person you’re complaining about either banks extra hours on a different day so they can pick up their kids on Mondays or typically comes in early so they can leave early in time for pick up. I don’t know how someone can parent in the DC region without AWS, frankly. My kids’ aftercare ends at 6 and my job is an hour away.

My understanding is as long as someone puts in 8.5 consecutive hours in the office, that is a permissible schedule, unless USCIS has a rule that one one can start before 0700. But even starting at 7 allows one to leave at 3:30.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

Did you even read the post? PP said they took leave.

Yes because the maxiflex schedule was cancelled. Normally, it appears he/she would “maxiflex” regular telework to be able to pick up child from school.

Maxiflex has nothing to do with telework.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

DP. Lol. I am not a Fed but I rarely stay in the office for more than 5-6 hours unless I have a heavy meeting load, which is rare. And yes I do telework at home. I get so much head’s down work done in peace (thoughtful email replies, reviewing my team’s output, strategic thinking). I am so glad some companies realize it’s possible to hire talented people and not babysit them.

Do you keep a timecard? - I suspect not, but that is Fed Life. And Feds know that is the rule, so RTO means canceling of all telework - which needs annotated on the timecard. This person seems to have still been teleworking on a daily basis. Feds are also not authorized to telework if there are children dependent on the adult for care in the home. If maxiflex means regular periods of telework each week then by effect maxiflex was canceled.

Are you a fed? Maxi flex is literally the only way I can pick up my kids on time. The person you’re complaining about either banks extra hours on a different day so they can pick up their kids on Mondays or typically comes in early so they can leave early in time for pick up. I don’t know how someone can parent in the DC region without AWS, frankly. My kids’ aftercare ends at 6 and my job is an hour away.

My understanding is as long as someone puts in 8.5 consecutive hours in the office, that is a permissible schedule, unless USCIS has a rule that one one can start before 0700. But even starting at 7 allows one to leave at 3:30.

People are scammers. I had this kid, not my current job.. We were only two days a week in office. He lived in middle of nowhere He asked to come in after lunch on Wed them work 8 straight, he said could crash at friends couch or even just sleep in car as we had gym and shower at work. They he asked to start work at 7am and skip lunch and leave at 3pm.

That way he misses traffic both ways and gets his 16 hours done very quickly. I am like what type of productivity is he giving, who is he even meeting with, why does he think he is coming to office to sit in am empty office. I was just so confused. So we put dept work hours in place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

Did you even read the post? PP said they took leave.

Yes because the maxiflex schedule was cancelled. Normally, it appears he/she would “maxiflex” regular telework to be able to pick up child from school.

Maxiflex has nothing to do with telework.

Some cases maybe, some cases not. But the poster never responded why they needed to take leave. Maybe it was a one-off to pick the child up from school and they were planning on working a 10 hour day in the office one day during the pay period. Or maybe they would put the rest of their hours in at home (which some agencies are still allowing).

[Anonymous]

SO can't do 4/10s at DHS anymore?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

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Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

Most feds were double dipping and moonlighting with 2nd jobs. Why do you think DOGE went sniffing into the IRS database. Wait till the dust settles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.

THIS! FEDs were made more money during COVID then anyone else. No commute, WFH, side hustles, no child care, remote work while on travel banking leave!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.

THIS! FEDs were made more money during COVID then anyone else. No commute, WFH, side hustles, no child care, remote work while on travel banking leave!

Uh.... the two full-time jobs people were all private sector slackers, particularly in tech. Fed salaries also did not even come close to the ppp loans people outside government got for free. Sorry you hate federal workers but I'm sure you can at least find more factual excuses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

DP. Lol. I am not a Fed but I rarely stay in the office for more than 5-6 hours unless I have a heavy meeting load, which is rare. And yes I do telework at home. I get so much head’s down work done in peace (thoughtful email replies, reviewing my team’s output, strategic thinking). I am so glad some companies realize it’s possible to hire talented people and not babysit them.

Do you keep a timecard? - I suspect not, but that is Fed Life. And Feds know that is the rule, so RTO means canceling of all telework - which needs annotated on the timecard. This person seems to have still been teleworking on a daily basis. Feds are also not authorized to telework if there are children dependent on the adult for care in the home. If maxiflex means regular periods of telework each week then by effect maxiflex was canceled.

Are you a fed? Maxi flex is literally the only way I can pick up my kids on time. The person you’re complaining about either banks extra hours on a different day so they can pick up their kids on Mondays or typically comes in early so they can leave early in time for pick up. I don’t know how someone can parent in the DC region without AWS, frankly. My kids’ aftercare ends at 6 and my job is an hour away.

My understanding is as long as someone puts in 8.5 consecutive hours in the office, that is a permissible schedule, unless USCIS has a rule that one one can start before 0700. But even starting at 7 allows one to leave at 3:30.

People are scammers. I had this kid, not my current job.. We were only two days a week in office. He lived in middle of nowhere He asked to come in after lunch on Wed them work 8 straight, he said could crash at friends couch or even just sleep in car as we had gym and shower at work. They he asked to start work at 7am and skip lunch and leave at 3pm.

That way he misses traffic both ways and gets his 16 hours done very quickly. I am like what type of productivity is he giving, who is he even meeting with, why does he think he is coming to office to sit in am empty office. I was just so confused. So we put dept work hours in place.

It's J1/J2 Guy!

What's up, my man? What is your current gig and comp?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.

Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.

We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.

So maxiflex is still available?

No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.

So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.

DP. Lol. I am not a Fed but I rarely stay in the office for more than 5-6 hours unless I have a heavy meeting load, which is rare. And yes I do telework at home. I get so much head’s down work done in peace (thoughtful email replies, reviewing my team’s output, strategic thinking). I am so glad some companies realize it’s possible to hire talented people and not babysit them.

Do you keep a timecard? - I suspect not, but that is Fed Life. And Feds know that is the rule, so RTO means canceling of all telework - which needs annotated on the timecard. This person seems to have still been teleworking on a daily basis. Feds are also not authorized to telework if there are children dependent on the adult for care in the home. If maxiflex means regular periods of telework each week then by effect maxiflex was canceled.

Are you a fed? Maxi flex is literally the only way I can pick up my kids on time. The person you’re complaining about either banks extra hours on a different day so they can pick up their kids on Mondays or typically comes in early so they can leave early in time for pick up. I don’t know how someone can parent in the DC region without AWS, frankly. My kids’ aftercare ends at 6 and my job is an hour away.

My understanding is as long as someone puts in 8.5 consecutive hours in the office, that is a permissible schedule, unless USCIS has a rule that one one can start before 0700. But even starting at 7 allows one to leave at 3:30.

People are scammers. I had this kid, not my current job.. We were only two days a week in office. He lived in middle of nowhere He asked to come in after lunch on Wed them work 8 straight, he said could crash at friends couch or even just sleep in car as we had gym and shower at work. They he asked to start work at 7am and skip lunch and leave at 3pm.

That way he misses traffic both ways and gets his 16 hours done very quickly. I am like what type of productivity is he giving, who is he even meeting with, why does he think he is coming to office to sit in am empty office. I was just so confused. So we put dept work hours in place.

It's J1/J2 Guy!

What's up, my man? What is your current gig and comp?

Pretty sure this is the retired person who lives abroad and spends a sad amount of time trolling Feds on DCUM’s jobs forum.

[Anonymous]

I have to be honest, I don't like compressed work schedules. I never did one personally, and it is tough to ensure coverage when we are client focused and questions come in unexpectedly. I always find myself having to cover for someone on AWS on Mondays and Fridays. But that doesn't mean that it is reasonable to cancel them with less than a day notice, they should have given people a month or two advance notice to let them arrange their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.

But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.

I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.

4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.

It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.

Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.

A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.

THIS! FEDs were made more money during COVID then anyone else. No commute, WFH, side hustles, no child care, remote work while on travel banking leave!

Um, yeah. We kept the country running. We worked our jobs at crazy hours because our kids were home. Mine were 2 and 5 at the time. It was awful. We sent them back to child care as soon as it re-opened. And had to keep paying for child care to hold our spots even while our children did not attend. There was exactly zero nefarious side hustle or system gains while we did everything we could to stay afloat.