Yale athletes discuss their SAT/ACT scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Note that a lot of athletes just need to hit a certain score. So while your kid might get a 1470 and take it a few more times to get over 1500, an athlete will be told that is good enough and stop trying, even if with more studying and attempts they could do better.

YYou hit the nail on the head. There is little incentive to exceed the floor, which is given to the recruited athlete. To me, that is one of the few advantages to being a recruited athlete.

Playing sports at a high level is a massive time commitment for an athlete and their family. It's hardly a free pass to an Ivy admission even though it may look like it when looking critically at one data point such as low or lower test scores. And to be honest, the Ivies are not necessarily attractive as there is no scholarship money. My family would be full pay at an Ivy even with a recruited athlete but a full scholarship at Patriot or other similar FCS level schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what? The school wants to put together an interesting class with lots of different types of talents. A class filled entirely with people with high standardized test scores may not necessarily be as interesting for the members of said class.

Being with and around young people with many different types of talents leads to a better overall education for everyone in the class. College is about more than just the classroom.

Well yes scores are not everything. But I have a kid with a 26 and 3.5 uw and no AP. And I can assure you they don't belong at Yale or any top 50 school.

True, not every kid has a strong enough talent in one area to be recruited by a school. Schools like Yale know what they’re looking for, and it involves a mix of students who show an impressive talent in many different areas. Leadership is important and the fact is that many athletes are good leaders.

They’re creating a whole class, a community. College is about so much more than the classroom. How is it that so many parents don’t appear to understand this anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what? The school wants to put together an interesting class with lots of different types of talents. A class filled entirely with people with high standardized test scores may not necessarily be as interesting for the members of said class.

Being with and around young people with many different types of talents leads to a better overall education for everyone in the class. College is about more than just the classroom.

Well yes scores are not everything. But I have a kid with a 26 and 3.5 uw and no AP. And I can assure you they don't belong at Yale or any top 50 school.

True, not every kid has a strong enough talent in one area to be recruited by a school. Schools like Yale know what they’re looking for, and it involves a mix of students who show an impressive talent in many different areas. Leadership is important and the fact is that many athletes are good leaders.

They’re creating a whole class, a community. College is about so much more than the classroom. How is it that so many parents don’t appear to understand this anymore?

Why don't so many parents understand that their students need to come out of school with a job offer? Low GPA athletes don't get very good jobs. Well, maybe they get a job that is good for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haha, I mean, not surprising on the whole, but a 19? That is a bit surprising. Seems more like George Dubya days...

I bet it doesn't bother you that the Harvard president was a gutless, plagiarizing moron.

[Anonymous]

I thought the Ivies used the Academic Index calculator for their athletes? So, how did the 19 SAT gain admittance? Either he had a very high GPA or was it during Covid when the schools were test optional?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:27 I get - you have to be a very strong athlete to compete at an Ivy. Most varsity team captains aren’t Ivy level athletes. I also know someone who earned a 21 or 22 on the ACT who played on Northwestern’s women’s lacrosse team, so I’m not surprised.

That I don't believe. Northwestern holds their athletes to much higher academic standards than most schools

Sorry. UF they are BG10. I personally know an athlete who didn’t get the score needed at Yale and ended up at Northwestern.

Yes they are BG10, but they traditionally have held their athletes to much higher standards. Just look at their football team and their majors while at NU. Sure some take the traditional "Communications" as an easy major, but plenty are in tough majors and doing well. Many get their MS while using up their eligibility (especially if they were red shirted for a year or 2)

But no, they are not comparable to Ohio State athletes who barely graduate HS sometimes.

[Anonymous]

I was a Yale athlete in 2000. Almost my entire team went into medicine and are doctors now. It was a bright bunch of kids.

So maybe it depends on the sport? But most of the athletes I knew were smart and focused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Considering these schools now have remedial math and writing for regular admits, who cares.

Harvard's "remedial" math class is just a regular calculus class that meets more often.

+1

And it's typically there for kids from HS where calculus was NOT offered. Imagine your kid attending a HS where precalculus is the Top math available. No APs typically at those schools. The top schools identify smart kids from these rural/inner city schools and accept them knowing it will make a difference. But yes, they didn't take calc 1 in 10th or 11th grade. They need some help freshman year to bring them up to speed---it's due to lack of course offerings, not "stupid kids".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Smart kids don’t want to sit next to dopey students in their college classes. They had to put up with enough of that in high school. They may be interesting human beings, but if they can’t keep up, then they drag everything down.

Please. They are excited to cheer for a decent football team on Saturdays, and they are more than happy to sit next to the "dopey" athlete, because they hope he will bring down the class average on the midterm, and they get a better curved grade. Win win all around.

Admitted students don't care. The only people who care are the ones that don't get the offer and have a bruised ego.

No one at Yale cares about the football team for 364 days of the year.

March, march on down the field
Fighting for Eli
Break through that crimson line
Their strength to defy
We’ll give a long cheer for Eli’s men
We’re here to win again
hahvahd’s team may fight to the end
But YALE! WILL! WIN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will always be special admits for athletes, children of celebrities, children of politicians. They will invariably have lower SAT and GPA scores but that's the way it works.

Look at trump's kid, obamas kids, the whole varsity blues scandal.

A significant portion of the slots at Ivies are reserved for athletes, legacies, important people, etc. That's why you see so many 1600 4.0 UW rejections.

Please don't lump Trump's kids with Obama's kids. I get the feeling Obama's kids are smart and highly qualified. Yes, who dad is likely helped them get admitted, but they are qualified and would have a lottery ticket with their stats

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what? The school wants to put together an interesting class with lots of different types of talents. A class filled entirely with people with high standardized test scores may not necessarily be as interesting for the members of said class.

Being with and around young people with many different types of talents leads to a better overall education for everyone in the class. College is about more than just the classroom.

Well yes scores are not everything. But I have a kid with a 26 and 3.5 uw and no AP. And I can assure you they don't belong at Yale or any top 50 school.

True, not every kid has a strong enough talent in one area to be recruited by a school. Schools like Yale know what they’re looking for, and it involves a mix of students who show an impressive talent in many different areas. Leadership is important and the fact is that many athletes are good leaders.

They’re creating a whole class, a community. College is about so much more than the classroom. How is it that so many parents don’t appear to understand this anymore?

Why don't so many parents understand that their students need to come out of school with a job offer? Low GPA athletes don't get very good jobs. Well, maybe they get a job that is good for them.

It would seem that "dumb" Ivy athletes actually outperform their non-athlete peers in the job market. Studies and related articles below indicate that athletes make more money. Maybe less chess club and SAT study and more football and weightlifting are in order!

https://www.nber.org/papers/w31753
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2024/11/ivy-league-athletics-career-success-harvard-study#:~:text='93%2C%20and%20colleagues%20at%20the,earn%203.4%20percent%20more%20over
https://fortune.com/2024/11/27/who-earns-more-money-college-jocks-nerds-athletes-research-study/
https://www.fatherly.com/life/college-athletes-earnings-soft-skills

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Note that a lot of athletes just need to hit a certain score. So while your kid might get a 1470 and take it a few more times to get over 1500, an athlete will be told that is good enough and stop trying, even if with more studying and attempts they could do better.

YYou hit the nail on the head. There is little incentive to exceed the floor, which is given to the recruited athlete. To me, that is one of the few advantages to being a recruited athlete.

Playing sports at a high level is a massive time commitment for an athlete and their family. It's hardly a free pass to an Ivy admission even though it may look like it when looking critically at one data point such as low or lower test scores. And to be honest, the Ivies are not necessarily attractive as there is no scholarship money. My family would be full pay at an Ivy even with a recruited athlete but a full scholarship at Patriot or other similar FCS level schools.

+1. Like for regular students, they're affordable if you're wealthy or poor, not so much if you're in between.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what? The school wants to put together an interesting class with lots of different types of talents. A class filled entirely with people with high standardized test scores may not necessarily be as interesting for the members of said class.

Being with and around young people with many different types of talents leads to a better overall education for everyone in the class. College is about more than just the classroom.

Well yes scores are not everything. But I have a kid with a 26 and 3.5 uw and no AP. And I can assure you they don't belong at Yale or any top 50 school.

True, not every kid has a strong enough talent in one area to be recruited by a school. Schools like Yale know what they’re looking for, and it involves a mix of students who show an impressive talent in many different areas. Leadership is important and the fact is that many athletes are good leaders.

They’re creating a whole class, a community. College is about so much more than the classroom. How is it that so many parents don’t appear to understand this anymore?

Why don't so many parents understand that their students need to come out of school with a job offer? Low GPA athletes don't get very good jobs. Well, maybe they get a job that is good for them.

That's not a true statement whatsoever. In fact, the reason a "low GPA" athlete would attend Yale is precisely because the athletic alumni network can be quite powerful.

Also, I am not sure why they will have a low GPA. Literally, every college has a pathway available to athletes (which each generation of athletes advises to the next) such that they graduate with good GPAs.

[Anonymous]

NIL will take care of this soon enough.

Ivy League isn't participating in NIL.

Kids who are great for college but have no prospect for pro, now have a real shot of making 200k a year in college. That can change lives.

For student athletes that want to play soccer and then go to med school, yale is great.

But for the kids who never read a book in HS and are now at Yale because they're good at football, they'll look elsewhere and get some payday - or payback for 18 years of training

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Yale football team.
First guy had a 19, 2nd a 24, 3rd a 1280, and 4th a 27

This was before Yale went back to test required.

I know two athletes that had to decommit recently because 1/2 the Ivies went back to test required and they couldn’t get the score. Regular students need 34-36, an athlete still needs low 30s.

Nope, not for a good football player. 19 is good. I know the student.