Barnard vs Colby?

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Anonymous wrote:Go through the course catalog and plot out which classes she would take each semester at each institution. See which is more exciting.

That is such a great idea -- she love that. Great Thank you

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McGill definitely has some star-quality akin to UMich & UCLA. Barnard would be a great option -- except all the turmoil and chaos maybe not great. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

US News has a ranking of global universities. Columbia is highly ranked as a university (not Barnard specifically). McGill is in the 50s globally. Colby isn't included as it's not a university.
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings
Again, these are three very different schools (one in a different country).

And Columbus is a very different school than Barnard.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

I simply chose the measure to which many people relate. Nonetheless, all statistics suggest that McGill does not compare with Barnard or Colby by selectivity. Consider ACT middle ranges, for example:

Barnard: 32–34
Colby: 32–34
McGill: 29–32

In McGill's favor, it does at least overlap with Colby and Barnard.

Source for scores: The Princeton Review

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

I simply chose the measure to which many people relate. Nonetheless, all statistics suggest that McGill does not compare with Barnard or Colby by selectivity. Consider ACT middle ranges, for example:

Barnard: 32–34
Colby: 32–34
McGill: 29–32

In McGill's favor, it does at least overlap with Colby and Barnard.

Source for scores: The Princeton Review

Well, don't forgot Barnard and Colby are TO schools, right?

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

I simply chose the measure to which many people relate. Nonetheless, all statistics suggest that McGill does not compare with Barnard or Colby by selectivity. Consider ACT middle ranges, for example:

Barnard: 32–34
Colby: 32–34
McGill: 29–32

In McGill's favor, it does at least overlap with Colby and Barnard.

Source for scores: The Princeton Review

Well, don't forgot Barnard and Colby are TO schools, right?

Good point. McGill admissions is stats based. Honestly it's refreshing.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had been to Colby and was there for a summer. They have a great Enviro studies program but isnt a fan of the small size and party culture but knows it has a great reputation.

Barnard has phenomenal program in her interest area too and loves all women and network for future and its also not a super party culture.

Mcgill has exactly her interests too -- super cool programs that are small in a big school. Loves Montreal, will learn French, dorms extra good. She absolutely loves the idea of this option but not sure about giving up well regarded small lacs for McGill. We see her looking for reasons to choose McGill over Barnard/Colby but wonders if it is as highly regarded as the others and if launching from Barnard would be much much better

Doesn't sound like price is a factor, but McGill will be 35Kish for an int'l student vs. 90kish for Barnard/Colby. I would personally pick McGill (even beyond the price issue), but that's because of my perception that it's more selective than Barnard and Colby (among the most selective colleges in Canada vs. mid-tier American colleges). But I don't know your kid or environmental science programs, so YMMV, and I was a Columbia College undergrad so I clearly have more urban preferences...

By selectivity, Barnard places ~22nd among U.S. colleges and universities and Colby places ~31st. By objective measures, McGill does not approach this level of selectivity.

Well, yes, because McGill is not a US university because it is in Canada.

The country in which these schools are located is irrelevant. With its 56% acceptance rate, McGill does not compare with Barnard (8%) or Colby (7%) by selectivity.

Source for acceptance rates: The Princeton Review

That number is misleading right? In Canada, they have cutoff for application, I think for McGill you have to be a A- student or above to apply. For Barnard and Colby any one can apply, particularly Colby waives application fees.

I simply chose the measure to which many people relate. Nonetheless, all statistics suggest that McGill does not compare with Barnard or Colby by selectivity. Consider ACT middle ranges, for example:

Barnard: 32–34
Colby: 32–34
McGill: 29–32

In McGill's favor, it does at least overlap with Colby and Barnard.

Source for scores: The Princeton Review

Well, don't forget Barnard and Colby are TO schools, right?

McGill states a similar policy:

Test-Optional: The ACT/SAT opt out policy has been extended to students applying to undergraduate studies for Fall 2025, for the following programs:

Agricultural and Environmental Sciences
Arts
Bachelor of Arts & Sciences
Education (including Kinesiology)
Engineering (including Architecture)
Management
Nursing
Science

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The Princeton review stats are misleading. You have to have an A- to apply and in Canada you have to make a separate application to each program, Arts & Science, Engineering, Business School,etc so most top student apply to 3-7 departments so they have options (its like applying to different schools in the US).

And ACT score range isnt real cuz of TO. If you look back at pre-covid Common Data sets these stats are much lower.

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Anonymous wrote:The Princeton review stats are misleading. You have to have an A- to apply and in Canada you have to make a separate application to each program, Arts & Science, Engineering, Business School,etc so most top student apply to 3-7 departments so they have options (its like applying to different schools in the US).

And ACT score range isnt real cuz of TO. If you look back at pre-covid Common Data sets these stats are much lower.

How does the impact of McGill's current test-optional policy differ from that of Barnard's and Colby's?

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Barnard will always be a cut-rate Columbia and live in its shadow. Colby gamed its way up the selectivity ranks. Neither are a great choice but definitely visit Waterville in February

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Anonymous wrote:These are such different fits -- Barnard and McGill are city universities, Barnard is smaller, but I lump it with Columbia. I would not want to be a student at Columbia/Barnard right now due to all the on-campus political drama, nor would I want to go to college in NYC in general due to the cost. I would seriously consider McGill over Barnard if your DD wants a city. Colby is its own thing. If your daughter is a suburban preppy kid from a UMC background and can be in rural Maine with a heavy on-campus party atmosphere, then pick that.

Very strange response. Barnard will cost the same as Colby to pay for tuition room and board. New York is really cheap for everyday costs like food.

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McGill all the way!