why is Case Western NOT popular among private school kids

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Anonymous wrote:Because they already have their own K-12 private that feeds into it. In fact, it's located on Case Western's previous campus before they expanded: https://www.wra.net/

That doesn't explain it. Last year there is only one wra student accepted to Case Western.
https://www.wra.net/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-wra

I’m from Cleveland and never really thought of WRA a feeder to CWRU.

I think Cleveland is the drawback. Most DC area kids do not want to be in Cleveland.

Yet DMV kids seem to want to, and apparently try hard to, attend Johns Hopkins. Yes, of course JHU is overall > CWRU, but still....

Personally, I think Cleveland's a wonderful city, with lots to offer for anyone from pretty much anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:It can be solid if the cost is similar to in state, but for 66k tuition, you have to convince yourself that it is even worth applying, even if the school gives 30k scholarships, still not convinced

if your kid is already applying to private schools (mostly those in the 5-8K undergrad size), most are likely $80K+ already. We didn't do large state Unis, because that's not what was best for my kids. Sure they could survive there, but for them the smaller schools offered a better fit and we can afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

You are smoking too much hooka. Doctors make good salaries. Depending on your specialty, that could be a great salary. I view doctors as pre professionals that are close to the 1 percent or in the 1 percent. Consultants, lawyers (big law) and investment bankers and VCs make more. But I would not look down on doctors at all.

My kid is premed and the profession is definitely one that is white collared.

DP:

Doctors make good salaries, but relative to the education required, costs associated with that and the "lost income" from time in school, they do not make "that much". Most doctors in large cities (HCOL/VHCOL) only make $200-250K as a pediatrician/family medicine doctor. When you factor in $300-400K for medical school, 3-4 years of residency where you barely make enough to live and you have no life during those 7-8 years, they will be 40+ before they hit the breakeven point with someone who was in business or engineering . Not to mention the quality of life in their 20s/early 30s versus someone who started working at 22 (right after undergrad)

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Anonymous wrote:Because they already have their own K-12 private that feeds into it. In fact, it's located on Case Western's previous campus before they expanded: https://www.wra.net/

That doesn't explain it. Last year there is only one wra student accepted to Case Western.
https://www.wra.net/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-wra

I’m from Cleveland and never really thought of WRA a feeder to CWRU.

I think Cleveland is the drawback. Most DC area kids do not want to be in Cleveland.

Yet DMV kids seem to want to, and apparently try hard to, attend Johns Hopkins. Yes, of course JHU is overall > CWRU, but still....

Personally, I think Cleveland's a wonderful city, with lots to offer for anyone from pretty much anywhere.

Not from the privates. Look at the Instagrams to JHU. There are almost zero matriculations. I know from our school there is only about one application a year. I specifically asked to see the data because my child was interested.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

You are smoking too much hooka. Doctors make good salaries. Depending on your specialty, that could be a great salary. I view doctors as pre professionals that are close to the 1 percent or in the 1 percent. Consultants, lawyers (big law) and investment bankers and VCs make more. But I would not look down on doctors at all.

My kid is premed and the profession is definitely one that is white collared.

No, you're the one that needs to leave the hooka bubble. I'm a physician. I make a very good income at around $300K.
However, I can't begin to afford the lifestyle of many of the families at at our private school.
I joke about this with a few other doctor friends at our school. We are definitely "the poors" which is completely absurd.

Well you likely spent $200-400K on medical school, all while still having to live during that time without a "job". You are likely 40 before you start to actually earn enough money and have loans paid off, and by then you have to start saving for your kid's education. So sure, if you are a heart surgeon, anesthesiologist or neurologist, you make $$$$ but otherwise, you make decent money but many other careers overall pay more.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

This. Engineering is seen as a very middle class profession. Doctors and lawyers don’t want their kids to be engineers. I am a lawyer and no one I know has a kid in this track.

lol I'm a lawyer as well and my DS is going to Georgia Tech to study Biomedical Engineering at the #2 ranked school in the country. I'm quite sure he will do alright for himself.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

This. Engineering is seen as a very middle class profession. Doctors and lawyers don’t want their kids to be engineers. I am a lawyer and no one I know has a kid in this track.

lol I'm a lawyer as well and my DS is going to Georgia Tech to study Biomedical Engineering at the #2 ranked school in the country. I'm quite sure he will do alright for himself.

That's awesome and he'll do great.
However, we're talking about DC private schools where the average income of those not on financial aid is easily north of $750K.
You''re not going to make that in biomedical engineering unless you found a company.
For that reason these kids generally aren't pursuing engineering and most are not becoming doctors either.

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Anonymous wrote:Bc it’s not a finance, biglaw or similar feeder.

yup. IF you're at a $55K+ private, 95% of the full-pay parents are
-biglaw
-finance
-business executives

Not engineers and only a few sub-specialty physicians. You're not paying $55k/kid for kindergarten on an engineer, pediatrician or ob/gyn salary.


Kids tends to follow their parents' career paths.

Agree with all of this.

It’s also why private school kids tend to major in humanities. They know they’ll get the GS internship as a philosophy or anthropology major.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

Most wealthy kids are not smart enough to be engineers. My experience with the children of wealth is they aren’t very strong in math and science. They also are not motivated to have a hard major. Finance is ridiculously easy “math.” Wealthy children want jobs that sound 1% but aren’t hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

Most wealthy kids are not smart enough to be engineers. My experience with the children of wealth is they aren’t very strong in math and science. They also are not motivated to have a hard major. Finance is ridiculously easy “math.” Wealthy children want jobs that sound 1% but aren’t hard.

Sounds like you don't actually know that many wealthy kids. We are UHNW. Both kids are doing exceedingly well in tough majors (engineering) Know many others like that.

Look at Gates oldest kid---Graduated Stanford, medical school at NYU or one of the big ones. Connections may get you into Stanford, but you don't graduate and get into a top med school and top residency without doing well in school.

Sounds like you only know lazy, entitled rich brats. There is a whole different world of those who are pushed hard and push themselves hard to achieve the most they can

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Ehh.
The wealthy kids are getting some $$$ down the road from parents. They know the way to make real generational wealth in this country isn’t as a worker bee (e.g., engineer working hard for that measly paycheck).
They use the IB finance gig to move to PE to move to PC or Infra, where they’ll eventually get carry. They know what you don’t.

But keep on being a worker bee.

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Anonymous wrote:Ehh.
The wealthy kids are getting some $$$ down the road from parents. They know the way to make real generational wealth in this country isn’t as a worker bee (e.g., engineer working hard for that measly paycheck).
They use the IB finance gig to move to PE to move to PC or Infra, where they’ll eventually get carry. They know what you don’t.

But keep on being a worker bee.

Umm...we are UHNW and no family money on either side. We do what we love, and our kids are also able to do what they love, because they know money isn't everything (and yes, they will have a healthy inheritance that we will start gifting/giving in their 20s so it impacts their live trajectory).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

Most wealthy kids are not smart enough to be engineers. My experience with the children of wealth is they aren’t very strong in math and science. They also are not motivated to have a hard major. Finance is ridiculously easy “math.” Wealthy children want jobs that sound 1% but aren’t hard.

Gosh. Ignorant idiot. Lots of wealthy kids majored in math and do quants.

Gate’s daughter is a medical doctor.

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It's the name. The name sucks

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Anonymous wrote:It's the name. The name sucks

Is Case really worse than Brown, Yale, or Smith? And as for the rest....

"The Western Reserve was a large tract of land, approximately 120 miles wide, in northeastern Ohio, reserved by Connecticut when it ceded its western land claims to the US government after the Revolutionary War. It was "reserved" as a way to compensate Connecticut citizens for their losses during the war and also to attract settlers from New England."

My great-grandma went to Western Reserve before it merged with Case. They allowed women to enroll prior to 1900. Unlike many Ivies.

The issue is that the U.S. let the industrial heartland wither, which has led to scorn being heaped on the large cities of the Rust Belt. Many of these places were quite normal places to live in the 1930s-60s.