Serious question for MAGA - how do you not see the rise of authoritarian oligarchy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Why aren't you aware of this fact?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Obama never "assassinated" American citizens. Obama, unlike Trump and Biden, was deserving of the POTUS position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait for it. People see. Mum is the word right now. Stand back and stand by, isnt that what he said years ago?

Exhibit 1
Silent Rioting
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82fNCax/

This will be an easy one for MAGA defectors to jump in on.

Yes. This is a fantastic idea.

This is what I've done so far:

--No shopping at Zappos, Whole Foods, or Amazon (cancelled my Prime account and made them give my money back)
--No shopping at Target
--Really just no shopping unless groceries
--Ended Wash Po subscription
--Ended Netflix subscription (replaced with Kanopy for free from the library)


I love the idea to pull money out of banks. Maybe I'll move to a credit union.

What's amazing about this is that loads of people are, for example, cancelling Amazon Prime and realizing they bought a lot of junk over the years. They are enjoying keeping more of their money. This will probably create a long-term habit shift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Suppression of speech via state power over social media companies.

Lame. First, Obama/biden administration didn't try to dismantle every democratic safeguards known to mankind, suggest they should defy SC orders, and try to stage a coup w/J6 protesters. One is about disagreement about policies vs actual, direct attack on our democracy. On all of what you used as examples, these presidents were were actively trying to do something to help the country - not blatantly doing something to expand their personal power which this one is currently doing..I don't understand what's wrong with trying to expand protection of minorities and stop misinformation (bc we all know facts matter and social media is toxic slide). So ... yeah please do not compare Trump with Biden and Obama.. one is personally amassing power for himself.. direct attack on democracy. Absolutely not the same..WAKE UP.

You either defend the first amendment or you don’t. You cannot take the position that anything you don’t agree with politically is “misinformation,” particularly when you are talking about using state power to suppress that speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Here is what that noted, reactionary, right-wing org—the ACLU had to say in an official statement about it:


https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-statement-killing-anwar-al-aulaqi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Obama never "assassinated" American citizens. Obama, unlike Trump and Biden, was deserving of the POTUS position.

Anwar al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammad, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Why aren't you aware of this fact?

Obama left office eight years ago. Moreover, not being omniscient, there are many facts I’m unaware of, whether or not they involve Obama.

If it is, indeed, a fact, then I would be happy to consider the evidence which you have yet to provide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe this isn’t possible? Or do you just not care because you are fooled into believing it will some how benefit you?

I’m not MAGA. I was one of the Democrats on here begging Democrats to look up (of course nobody did) and who knew Trump would beat Biden, let alone Harris. I think I’m one of the few Democrats posting here that regularly listens to Rogan, Kirk, etc. I’m a Democrat because I am pro-labor, pro-working class (people the Democrats used to care about), but feel alienated from this current identity-focused iteration of the party. Of course I voted for Harris because Trump is a traitor, but I have no love for the current Democrats.

Here is what you don’t understand. The deep red MAGA believe we were in an authoritarian oligarchy under the Democrats. They believe that Democrats used the pandemic to destroy small businesses with their closure and shut-down orders, and to consolidate power into the hands of powerful Democrat donors. They do not believe they receive any benefit whatsoever from government agencies, mostly seeing them as arms of the oligarchy that destroyed small businesses and the education of their children during the pandemic. And these feelings run long and deep: most of them view the pandemic business and school closures as targeted extensions of what Democrats did with NAFTA.

They also view the DEI and identity-focus of current Democrats as explicitly anti-working class. The language of DEI is inexplicable and a clear class marker — no one who isn’t part of the wealthy oligarch class uses incomprehensible terms like “lived experience” in daily conversation — and they feel that it is used by the oligarchs in charge to weaken and isolate them.

So, from the point of view of MAGA, there isn’t a change. That’s what all the hyperventilating out-of-touch posters in DCUM do not understand: the MAGA think we’re already in an authoritarian oligarchy. So, if we are already in one, it might as well be run by someone who doesn’t convey how much he hates them like the Democrats do.

The GOP did their propaganda well. They are very good at accusing the "other side" of what they want to do, selling it hard, and then coming in and doing it themselves.

MAGA can "believe" this all day long, but it is based on lies and it is destroying the country.

So almighty Dem who sees all--what do we do? How do Dems make the truth sexy enough for MAGA to bite? We know they don't operate based on reason and facts. It's all emotion. How do we dismantle the hatred based on lies. They are standing by while our country, our hard won democracy, is destroyed and watching like zombies as we become an autocratic nation ruled by a demented felon and his oligarch friends.

I don't want to live in Russia, Argentina or Hungary.

What do we do?

With the bolded, you show you still don’t get it, and as far as I am concerned, don’t actually want to fight for American democracy. And for the record, I agree that Trump is a major, major threat to American democracy. I think he wants to be Putin, which is terrifying.

But it is not a lie that Democratic pandemic policies destroyed working class businesses. It is not a lie that working class children were most harmed by school closures actively supported by Democrats. You cannot — if you actually want to save this country — refuse to acknowledge that Democrats have caused serious harm to the working classes with their policies. And you have to recognize that many of their favorite planks (identity, student loan forgiveness, etc) come across as extremely elitist.

So what do we do? Well, most Democrats won’t like it, because it’s going to require humility and admitting profound errors. I don’t actually think the party in its current form can manage it. But, the only way to fight back against any oligarchy is with strong labor and working class. That means abandoning fringe identity issues and focusing on true bread and butter labor issues. For instance, for God’s sake stop having trans musicians that mock Christianity open for Bernie Sanders. Instead go to the churches, embrace the religious. Make the tent bigger. Push out anyone who divides, and hammer home the basics: economic security, fair wages, strong working and middle class, good education. Walk away from useless identity politics. Example: men in women’s sports is something most of the country thinks is outright evil and unfair, and just another sign of how the Democrats are elitist oligarchs themselves.

And yes, that means the laptop classes will have to get their feelings hurt. They will have to admit their policies are wildly unpopular. They will have to admit that they’ve abandoned the working classes, and that their focus on things like DEI was done to preserve their role at the top of the Democratic oligarchy ladder.

I don’t think the party can do it. But the answer to an oligarchy is always strong labor and working classes. That’s it. Anything else is just window dressing.

Man, you are a smug piece of work. Not serious about democracy? You aren't in reality, man. Humility on the part of Dems will get them abso-F-in-lutely nowhere now. We live in a world where the GOP take something like a heartfelt apology, twist it, and use it to plunge the knife as deep as they can. They play zero-sum, winner-take-all politics and they play as dirty as it gets. No lie is too dirty. No tactic is too dirty. Everything is us vs. them now. Compromise is weakness. MAGA are in tin foil hat territory.

BOTH parties have done things to hurt the working class. But who will REALLY fight for them. It's been the Dems for a long time. Do they always get it right. Absolutely not. But, c'mon, the GOP is for the richest of the rich and has been for a long time. The things happening now have been in the works for years. They just sell better. Lie better. Sway better. Dems need to learn to play the propaganda game better, because after it's done, they will actually try to make things better, not prop up an authoritarian wanna-be and his rich friends. And, yes, unfortunately, for a while they need to quieter and smarter about how they try to help the marginalized, because, unfortunately, most people are focused only on themselves and are easily manipulated with the same old game. The rich get us to fight over 5% of the pie, pitting us against each other, while they sit back and enjoy the 95%. The GOP did a great job of scapegoating immigrants and trans people and DEI as the reason the working class is suffering when the real reasons are so much more complicated and harder to tackle.

[Anonymous]

U.S. drone strike targeting ISIS in Afghanistan kills 10 civilians, family says

September 1, 2021

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-drone-strike-targeting-isis-afghanistan-kills-10-civilians-n1278062

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived through the Obama and Biden presidencies. Of course I know authoritarians that destroy civil liberties exist! What a silly question.

like what kind of civil liberties..pray tell?

Extra-judicial drone killing of American citizens (by Obama) abroad. That truly was unprecedented.

Destruction of title IX by Biden.

Are you suggesting that Obama ordered the assassinations of American citizens? Please provide a link.

Obama never "assassinated" American citizens. Obama, unlike Trump and Biden, was deserving of the POTUS position.

Anwar al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammad, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

These are casualties of war; not "assassinations", you two-bit fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe this isn’t possible? Or do you just not care because you are fooled into believing it will some how benefit you?

I’m not MAGA. I was one of the Democrats on here begging Democrats to look up (of course nobody did) and who knew Trump would beat Biden, let alone Harris. I think I’m one of the few Democrats posting here that regularly listens to Rogan, Kirk, etc. I’m a Democrat because I am pro-labor, pro-working class (people the Democrats used to care about), but feel alienated from this current identity-focused iteration of the party. Of course I voted for Harris because Trump is a traitor, but I have no love for the current Democrats.

Here is what you don’t understand. The deep red MAGA believe we were in an authoritarian oligarchy under the Democrats. They believe that Democrats used the pandemic to destroy small businesses with their closure and shut-down orders, and to consolidate power into the hands of powerful Democrat donors. They do not believe they receive any benefit whatsoever from government agencies, mostly seeing them as arms of the oligarchy that destroyed small businesses and the education of their children during the pandemic. And these feelings run long and deep: most of them view the pandemic business and school closures as targeted extensions of what Democrats did with NAFTA.

They also view the DEI and identity-focus of current Democrats as explicitly anti-working class. The language of DEI is inexplicable and a clear class marker — no one who isn’t part of the wealthy oligarch class uses incomprehensible terms like “lived experience” in daily conversation — and they feel that it is used by the oligarchs in charge to weaken and isolate them.

So, from the point of view of MAGA, there isn’t a change. That’s what all the hyperventilating out-of-touch posters in DCUM do not understand: the MAGA think we’re already in an authoritarian oligarchy. So, if we are already in one, it might as well be run by someone who doesn’t convey how much he hates them like the Democrats do.

The GOP did their propaganda well. They are very good at accusing the "other side" of what they want to do, selling it hard, and then coming in and doing it themselves.

MAGA can "believe" this all day long, but it is based on lies and it is destroying the country.

So almighty Dem who sees all--what do we do? How do Dems make the truth sexy enough for MAGA to bite? We know they don't operate based on reason and facts. It's all emotion. How do we dismantle the hatred based on lies. They are standing by while our country, our hard won democracy, is destroyed and watching like zombies as we become an autocratic nation ruled by a demented felon and his oligarch friends.

I don't want to live in Russia, Argentina or Hungary.

What do we do?

With the bolded, you show you still don’t get it, and as far as I am concerned, don’t actually want to fight for American democracy. And for the record, I agree that Trump is a major, major threat to American democracy. I think he wants to be Putin, which is terrifying.

But it is not a lie that Democratic pandemic policies destroyed working class businesses. It is not a lie that working class children were most harmed by school closures actively supported by Democrats. You cannot — if you actually want to save this country — refuse to acknowledge that Democrats have caused serious harm to the working classes with their policies. And you have to recognize that many of their favorite planks (identity, student loan forgiveness, etc) come across as extremely elitist.

So what do we do? Well, most Democrats won’t like it, because it’s going to require humility and admitting profound errors. I don’t actually think the party in its current form can manage it. But, the only way to fight back against any oligarchy is with strong labor and working class. That means abandoning fringe identity issues and focusing on true bread and butter labor issues. For instance, for God’s sake stop having trans musicians that mock Christianity open for Bernie Sanders. Instead go to the churches, embrace the religious. Make the tent bigger. Push out anyone who divides, and hammer home the basics: economic security, fair wages, strong working and middle class, good education. Walk away from useless identity politics. Example: men in women’s sports is something most of the country thinks is outright evil and unfair, and just another sign of how the Democrats are elitist oligarchs themselves.

And yes, that means the laptop classes will have to get their feelings hurt. They will have to admit their policies are wildly unpopular. They will have to admit that they’ve abandoned the working classes, and that their focus on things like DEI was done to preserve their role at the top of the Democratic oligarchy ladder.

I don’t think the party can do it. But the answer to an oligarchy is always strong labor and working classes. That’s it. Anything else is just window dressing.

Maybe the DNC can back to open primaries and not coronating candidates like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris.

Aren't you bothered by the constant use of the term democracy, when democrats are anything but?

Are you actually insinuating that the GOP, with Trump and Musk threatening to primary anyone who disagrees with them or be an independent voice for their constituents are behaving like politicians in a democracy? FFS, sit down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw a MAGA acquaintance last night. She's still cool with Trump because he's "getting things done" and all those "illegals" are being deported and the border is finally under control. She thinks DOGE is saving us lots of money and Elon's little boy is so cute.

She doesn't see anything authoritarian going on - especially after all the terrible things Obama and Biden did.

Just look at the Fox News webpage - they don't even try to pretend to report the news anymore.

https://www.foxnews.com/

That’s the problem OP. MAGA only gets the news from right wing media. So when they interact with the rest of the world, they think “the libs are losing it.” I have no idea if there is even a solution. I don’t think anyone at Fox is going to have a change of heart and tell the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe this isn’t possible? Or do you just not care because you are fooled into believing it will some how benefit you?

I’m not MAGA. I was one of the Democrats on here begging Democrats to look up (of course nobody did) and who knew Trump would beat Biden, let alone Harris. I think I’m one of the few Democrats posting here that regularly listens to Rogan, Kirk, etc. I’m a Democrat because I am pro-labor, pro-working class (people the Democrats used to care about), but feel alienated from this current identity-focused iteration of the party. Of course I voted for Harris because Trump is a traitor, but I have no love for the current Democrats.

Here is what you don’t understand. The deep red MAGA believe we were in an authoritarian oligarchy under the Democrats. They believe that Democrats used the pandemic to destroy small businesses with their closure and shut-down orders, and to consolidate power into the hands of powerful Democrat donors. They do not believe they receive any benefit whatsoever from government agencies, mostly seeing them as arms of the oligarchy that destroyed small businesses and the education of their children during the pandemic. And these feelings run long and deep: most of them view the pandemic business and school closures as targeted extensions of what Democrats did with NAFTA.

They also view the DEI and identity-focus of current Democrats as explicitly anti-working class. The language of DEI is inexplicable and a clear class marker — no one who isn’t part of the wealthy oligarch class uses incomprehensible terms like “lived experience” in daily conversation — and they feel that it is used by the oligarchs in charge to weaken and isolate them.

So, from the point of view of MAGA, there isn’t a change. That’s what all the hyperventilating out-of-touch posters in DCUM do not understand: the MAGA think we’re already in an authoritarian oligarchy. So, if we are already in one, it might as well be run by someone who doesn’t convey how much he hates them like the Democrats do.

The GOP did their propaganda well. They are very good at accusing the "other side" of what they want to do, selling it hard, and then coming in and doing it themselves.

MAGA can "believe" this all day long, but it is based on lies and it is destroying the country.

So almighty Dem who sees all--what do we do? How do Dems make the truth sexy enough for MAGA to bite? We know they don't operate based on reason and facts. It's all emotion. How do we dismantle the hatred based on lies. They are standing by while our country, our hard won democracy, is destroyed and watching like zombies as we become an autocratic nation ruled by a demented felon and his oligarch friends.

I don't want to live in Russia, Argentina or Hungary.

What do we do?

With the bolded, you show you still don’t get it, and as far as I am concerned, don’t actually want to fight for American democracy. And for the record, I agree that Trump is a major, major threat to American democracy. I think he wants to be Putin, which is terrifying.

But it is not a lie that Democratic pandemic policies destroyed working class businesses. It is not a lie that working class children were most harmed by school closures actively supported by Democrats. You cannot — if you actually want to save this country — refuse to acknowledge that Democrats have caused serious harm to the working classes with their policies. And you have to recognize that many of their favorite planks (identity, student loan forgiveness, etc) come across as extremely elitist.

So what do we do? Well, most Democrats won’t like it, because it’s going to require humility and admitting profound errors. I don’t actually think the party in its current form can manage it. But, the only way to fight back against any oligarchy is with strong labor and working class. That means abandoning fringe identity issues and focusing on true bread and butter labor issues. For instance, for God’s sake stop having trans musicians that mock Christianity open for Bernie Sanders. Instead go to the churches, embrace the religious. Make the tent bigger. Push out anyone who divides, and hammer home the basics: economic security, fair wages, strong working and middle class, good education. Walk away from useless identity politics. Example: men in women’s sports is something most of the country thinks is outright evil and unfair, and just another sign of how the Democrats are elitist oligarchs themselves.

And yes, that means the laptop classes will have to get their feelings hurt. They will have to admit their policies are wildly unpopular. They will have to admit that they’ve abandoned the working classes, and that their focus on things like DEI was done to preserve their role at the top of the Democratic oligarchy ladder.

I don’t think the party can do it. But the answer to an oligarchy is always strong labor and working classes. That’s it. Anything else is just window dressing.

Man, you are a smug piece of work. Not serious about democracy? You aren't in reality, man. Humility on the part of Dems will get them abso-F-in-lutely nowhere now. We live in a world where the GOP take something like a heartfelt apology, twist it, and use it to plunge the knife as deep as they can. They play zero-sum, winner-take-all politics and they play as dirty as it gets. No lie is too dirty. No tactic is too dirty. Everything is us vs. them now. Compromise is weakness. MAGA are in tin foil hat territory.

BOTH parties have done things to hurt the working class. But who will REALLY fight for them. It's been the Dems for a long time. Do they always get it right. Absolutely not. But, c'mon, the GOP is for the richest of the rich and has been for a long time. The things happening now have been in the works for years. They just sell better. Lie better. Sway better. Dems need to learn to play the propaganda game better, because after it's done, they will actually try to make things better, not prop up an authoritarian wanna-be and his rich friends. And, yes, unfortunately, for a while they need to quieter and smarter about how they try to help the marginalized, because, unfortunately, most people are focused only on themselves and are easily manipulated with the same old game. The rich get us to fight over 5% of the pie, pitting us against each other, while they sit back and enjoy the 95%. The GOP did a great job of scapegoating immigrants and trans people and DEI as the reason the working class is suffering when the real reasons are so much more complicated and harder to tackle.

The smug piece of work is you, laptop class member who obviously just wants to continue to oppress the working classes. The idea that the Democrats will REALLY fight for the working classes now — all evidence to the contrary, we really really truly mean it this time, scout’s honor — is ridiculous. Do you truly think working class people are so stupid that they can’t recognize your hypocrisy?

Come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe this isn’t possible? Or do you just not care because you are fooled into believing it will some how benefit you?

I’m not MAGA. I was one of the Democrats on here begging Democrats to look up (of course nobody did) and who knew Trump would beat Biden, let alone Harris. I think I’m one of the few Democrats posting here that regularly listens to Rogan, Kirk, etc. I’m a Democrat because I am pro-labor, pro-working class (people the Democrats used to care about), but feel alienated from this current identity-focused iteration of the party. Of course I voted for Harris because Trump is a traitor, but I have no love for the current Democrats.

Here is what you don’t understand. The deep red MAGA believe we were in an authoritarian oligarchy under the Democrats. They believe that Democrats used the pandemic to destroy small businesses with their closure and shut-down orders, and to consolidate power into the hands of powerful Democrat donors. They do not believe they receive any benefit whatsoever from government agencies, mostly seeing them as arms of the oligarchy that destroyed small businesses and the education of their children during the pandemic. And these feelings run long and deep: most of them view the pandemic business and school closures as targeted extensions of what Democrats did with NAFTA.

They also view the DEI and identity-focus of current Democrats as explicitly anti-working class. The language of DEI is inexplicable and a clear class marker — no one who isn’t part of the wealthy oligarch class uses incomprehensible terms like “lived experience” in daily conversation — and they feel that it is used by the oligarchs in charge to weaken and isolate them.

So, from the point of view of MAGA, there isn’t a change. That’s what all the hyperventilating out-of-touch posters in DCUM do not understand: the MAGA think we’re already in an authoritarian oligarchy. So, if we are already in one, it might as well be run by someone who doesn’t convey how much he hates them like the Democrats do.

The GOP did their propaganda well. They are very good at accusing the "other side" of what they want to do, selling it hard, and then coming in and doing it themselves.

MAGA can "believe" this all day long, but it is based on lies and it is destroying the country.

So almighty Dem who sees all--what do we do? How do Dems make the truth sexy enough for MAGA to bite? We know they don't operate based on reason and facts. It's all emotion. How do we dismantle the hatred based on lies. They are standing by while our country, our hard won democracy, is destroyed and watching like zombies as we become an autocratic nation ruled by a demented felon and his oligarch friends.

I don't want to live in Russia, Argentina or Hungary.

What do we do?

With the bolded, you show you still don’t get it, and as far as I am concerned, don’t actually want to fight for American democracy. And for the record, I agree that Trump is a major, major threat to American democracy. I think he wants to be Putin, which is terrifying.

But it is not a lie that Democratic pandemic policies destroyed working class businesses. It is not a lie that working class children were most harmed by school closures actively supported by Democrats. You cannot — if you actually want to save this country — refuse to acknowledge that Democrats have caused serious harm to the working classes with their policies. And you have to recognize that many of their favorite planks (identity, student loan forgiveness, etc) come across as extremely elitist.

So what do we do? Well, most Democrats won’t like it, because it’s going to require humility and admitting profound errors. I don’t actually think the party in its current form can manage it. But, the only way to fight back against any oligarchy is with strong labor and working class. That means abandoning fringe identity issues and focusing on true bread and butter labor issues. For instance, for God’s sake stop having trans musicians that mock Christianity open for Bernie Sanders. Instead go to the churches, embrace the religious. Make the tent bigger. Push out anyone who divides, and hammer home the basics: economic security, fair wages, strong working and middle class, good education. Walk away from useless identity politics. Example: men in women’s sports is something most of the country thinks is outright evil and unfair, and just another sign of how the Democrats are elitist oligarchs themselves.

And yes, that means the laptop classes will have to get their feelings hurt. They will have to admit their policies are wildly unpopular. They will have to admit that they’ve abandoned the working classes, and that their focus on things like DEI was done to preserve their role at the top of the Democratic oligarchy ladder.

I don’t think the party can do it. But the answer to an oligarchy is always strong labor and working classes. That’s it. Anything else is just window dressing.

Maybe the DNC can back to open primaries and not coronating candidates like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris.

Aren't you bothered by the constant use of the term democracy, when democrats are anything but?

Are you actually insinuating that the GOP, with Trump and Musk threatening to primary anyone who disagrees with them or be an independent voice for their constituents are behaving like politicians in a democracy? FFS, sit down.

A better response would be yes, the DNC shenanigans in recent elections bothers me tremendously and I realize that if the people were allowed to nominate a Dem POTUS candidate in 2016, 2020, & 2024 as opposed to the mega-donors nominating the candidate, we would have never lost to someone as weak and awful as Trump.

Being honest with ourselves and not ignoring the obvious will serve us better in the future than denial will.