How did you become religious?

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Anonymous wrote:As a teenager i was an atheist but always felt like I was running after faith, or maybe atheism was temporary and God was going to get me someday, at the end of my story.

And then I realized I could wait God out in church, doing the rituals, being part of a community...fine, I'm here, come get me. I still don't really believe. I don't have the sense of a beautiful ending anymore either. But I'm waiting in God's house, trying to follow Jesus, and maybe that's the closest I'm ever going to get to faith.


Are you saying that you'd like to believe, but you just don't? and never did? and you've gone to church all this time?


I don't know if I'd say "just don't and never did." I think American Protestants have a tendency to say belief = certainty and I have never felt certain. But I think that is a very limited idea of belief that doesn't leave room for doubt as a form of wrestling with doubt, or hope, or actual practice, which are all parts of Christian life and better appreciated in Catholic and Orthodox traditions. Is taking communion a form of faith? I think so.


Exact opposite. Belief=faith and faith, by definition, does not equal certainty.
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.
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Anonymous wrote:As a teenager i was an atheist but always felt like I was running after faith, or maybe atheism was temporary and God was going to get me someday, at the end of my story.

And then I realized I could wait God out in church, doing the rituals, being part of a community...fine, I'm here, come get me. I still don't really believe. I don't have the sense of a beautiful ending anymore either. But I'm waiting in God's house, trying to follow Jesus, and maybe that's the closest I'm ever going to get to faith.


Are you saying that you'd like to believe, but you just don't? and never did? and you've gone to church all this time?


I don't know if I'd say "just don't and never did." I think American Protestants have a tendency to say belief = certainty and I have never felt certain. But I think that is a very limited idea of belief that doesn't leave room for doubt as a form of wrestling with doubt, or hope, or actual practice, which are all parts of Christian life and better appreciated in Catholic and Orthodox traditions. Is taking communion a form of faith? I think so.


Exact opposite. Belief=faith and faith, by definition, does not equal certainty.


Not sure what your definition of either belief or faith is. Some people say both belief and faith to mean certainty about specific propositions. I find people who are more concerned with hope, doubt, and practice tend to talk about faith but not so much about belief. Just saying they are the same isn't super helpful. We may be more in agreement than not, but I'm not sure.
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Anonymous wrote:As a teenager i was an atheist but always felt like I was running after faith, or maybe atheism was temporary and God was going to get me someday, at the end of my story.

And then I realized I could wait God out in church, doing the rituals, being part of a community...fine, I'm here, come get me. I still don't really believe. I don't have the sense of a beautiful ending anymore either. But I'm waiting in God's house, trying to follow Jesus, and maybe that's the closest I'm ever going to get to faith.


Are you saying that you'd like to believe, but you just don't? and never did? and you've gone to church all this time?


I don't know if I'd say "just don't and never did." I think American Protestants have a tendency to say belief = certainty and I have never felt certain. But I think that is a very limited idea of belief that doesn't leave room for doubt as a form of wrestling with doubt, or hope, or actual practice, which are all parts of Christian life and better appreciated in Catholic and Orthodox traditions. Is taking communion a form of faith? I think so.


Exact opposite. Belief=faith and faith, by definition, does not equal certainty.

DP, but I think you're both talking about different things. I was raised in an American Protestant church and there were definitely aspects of certainty to a lot of it. There was "certainty" that God existed and that the Trinity was real. It seemed to be the how of those things that you had to take on faith, because understanding them was beyond the human mind. But try being a curious 10 year old who asks how we know God is there and you will be met with absolute certainty about that. Faith is even about certainty - the certainty that it all must make sense in some way beyond our comprehension, so we shouldn't question it too hard.
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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Protestant, but never really felt like it made sense, even as a kid. As a teenager, I became agnostic, mostly because I couldn't reconcile so many tragedies in the world with the concept of an all-powerful, loving God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there, but I was comfortable with questioning and being uncertain of God's existence.

In college, I became friends with an atheist and her certainty that God didn't exist caused a knee-jerk reaction in me that God did exist. Acknowledging the certainty I felt caused me to reexamine my agnosticism, and ultimately I went looking for a religion that embraced the uncertainty of God's nature (or our understanding of God) without necessarily being uncertain of God's existence. I found Judaism, which encourages questioning and critical thinking and views those not as a crisis of faith, but as an expression of faith. I converted to Judaism and married a Jew and am now raising a Jewish family.


"I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there" - Overcoming the fear that has been instilled in you through most of your life both through direct teaching (you were raised protestant) and society/culture (christianity is the majority religion in the US) is typically the last step to realizing truth. It's a shame you have not yet been able to reach it, but I respect your search.

I think you may have misunderstood my story. It wasn't out of fear that I rejected atheism (which I never committed to) or agnosticism. I wasn't afraid of the possibility of nothingness or the uncertainty of not knowing; I embraced the unknown of God's existence and largely lived my formative years without God. I realized when presented with atheist certainty that there is no God, that I did, in fact, believe there is a God, and that my issue was simply with the Christian understanding of God, rather than God's existence itself. I'm not still reaching or searching for a truth. For me, Judaism is it.


What were your original doubts about agnosticism? How did you settle on Judaism when Christians and Muslims all are technically worshipping the same God? Did you consider any non-Abrahamic?


Uh...no. Christians do not believe this.


What God are Christians worshipping, in your opinion? And how does it differ from the Jewish and Muslim God?

Non-Christian here, but it seems like they worship Jesus more than God. And, I know, I know, Jesus IS God somehow, but my guess is that if you don't worship Jesus, you're not worshipping the same God, or not doing it correctly? *shrug*


I agree with these two previous posts. What I don't understand was the poster who said, "Uh...no. Christians do not believe this."

To this poster, you do realize that Jesus was a Jew? He was born into a Jewish family and was raised in Jewish traditions. He participated in Jewish customs and teachings, which is evident throughout the New Testament.

Take for example Matthew 5:17, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Jesus' mission was a continuation and fulfillment of Jewish teachings.

For a non-theist, this is in part why certain aspects of religion make zero sense, especially the "Holy Trinity" idea of Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.


Sorry; I believe we have different definitions of the term "in a vacuum."
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.


Sorry; I believe we have different definitions of the term "in a vacuum."


Lol.. "Sorry", I believe you know exactly what I meant and your post confirmed it. The proof is in your own words: "No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum".
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.


Sorry; I believe we have different definitions of the term "in a vacuum."


Lol.. "Sorry", I believe you know exactly what I meant and your post confirmed it. The proof is in your own words: "No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum".

DP, I assumed by "in a vacuum" you meant "without a Christian background/upbringing." I would consider someone who is secular/atheist and then had some bad luck in life and found Jesus to be coming to Christianity in a vacuum. Given how pervasive Christianity is in American culture, I think that's the most vacuum-like conditions you're going to get. If by "vacuum" you meant "came from the middle of the jungle and never heard of Jesus, but then discovered Christianity while walking along a sun-dappled path and emerged from the trees to join a church," then I think you're very unrealistic.
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


I think you just proved the point of the PP. There is no way someone will "find god" without the indoctrination process happening somehow, some way, at some time in your life.
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


"a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church"

A supportive friend = over 60% of Americans identify as Christian. You didn't say a Jewish counselor or a strong mosque or temple.

The only reason they "found" christ is because its the dominant religion in the US. Do you think they would find christ if it were something different?
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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Protestant, but never really felt like it made sense, even as a kid. As a teenager, I became agnostic, mostly because I couldn't reconcile so many tragedies in the world with the concept of an all-powerful, loving God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there, but I was comfortable with questioning and being uncertain of God's existence.

In college, I became friends with an atheist and her certainty that God didn't exist caused a knee-jerk reaction in me that God did exist. Acknowledging the certainty I felt caused me to reexamine my agnosticism, and ultimately I went looking for a religion that embraced the uncertainty of God's nature (or our understanding of God) without necessarily being uncertain of God's existence. I found Judaism, which encourages questioning and critical thinking and views those not as a crisis of faith, but as an expression of faith. I converted to Judaism and married a Jew and am now raising a Jewish family.


"I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there" - Overcoming the fear that has been instilled in you through most of your life both through direct teaching (you were raised protestant) and society/culture (christianity is the majority religion in the US) is typically the last step to realizing truth. It's a shame you have not yet been able to reach it, but I respect your search.

I think you may have misunderstood my story. It wasn't out of fear that I rejected atheism (which I never committed to) or agnosticism. I wasn't afraid of the possibility of nothingness or the uncertainty of not knowing; I embraced the unknown of God's existence and largely lived my formative years without God. I realized when presented with atheist certainty that there is no God, that I did, in fact, believe there is a God, and that my issue was simply with the Christian understanding of God, rather than God's existence itself. I'm not still reaching or searching for a truth. For me, Judaism is it.


What were your original doubts about agnosticism? How did you settle on Judaism when Christians and Muslims all are technically worshipping the same God? Did you consider any non-Abrahamic?


Uh...no. Christians do not believe this.


What God are Christians worshipping, in your opinion? And how does it differ from the Jewish and Muslim God?


+1 Please answer this question. Enlighten me.
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.



I think you just proved the point of the PP. There is no way someone will "find god" without the indoctrination process happening somehow, some way, at some time in your life.


+1M.
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Anonymous wrote:I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own.


Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.


Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.


Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.


So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.


Sorry; I believe we have different definitions of the term "in a vacuum."


Lol.. "Sorry", I believe you know exactly what I meant and your post confirmed it. The proof is in your own words: "No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum".

DP, I assumed by "in a vacuum" you meant "without a Christian background/upbringing." I would consider someone who is secular/atheist and then had some bad luck in life and found Jesus to be coming to Christianity in a vacuum. Given how pervasive Christianity is in American culture, I think that's the most vacuum-like conditions you're going to get. If by "vacuum" you meant "came from the middle of the jungle and never heard of Jesus, but then discovered Christianity while walking along a sun-dappled path and emerged from the trees to join a church," then I think you're very unrealistic.


I repeat: No you did not assume that, evidenced by your statement "No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum."

You should stop now.
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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Protestant, but never really felt like it made sense, even as a kid. As a teenager, I became agnostic, mostly because I couldn't reconcile so many tragedies in the world with the concept of an all-powerful, loving God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there, but I was comfortable with questioning and being uncertain of God's existence.

In college, I became friends with an atheist and her certainty that God didn't exist caused a knee-jerk reaction in me that God did exist. Acknowledging the certainty I felt caused me to reexamine my agnosticism, and ultimately I went looking for a religion that embraced the uncertainty of God's nature (or our understanding of God) without necessarily being uncertain of God's existence. I found Judaism, which encourages questioning and critical thinking and views those not as a crisis of faith, but as an expression of faith. I converted to Judaism and married a Jew and am now raising a Jewish family.


"I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there" - Overcoming the fear that has been instilled in you through most of your life both through direct teaching (you were raised protestant) and society/culture (christianity is the majority religion in the US) is typically the last step to realizing truth. It's a shame you have not yet been able to reach it, but I respect your search.

I think you may have misunderstood my story. It wasn't out of fear that I rejected atheism (which I never committed to) or agnosticism. I wasn't afraid of the possibility of nothingness or the uncertainty of not knowing; I embraced the unknown of God's existence and largely lived my formative years without God. I realized when presented with atheist certainty that there is no God, that I did, in fact, believe there is a God, and that my issue was simply with the Christian understanding of God, rather than God's existence itself. I'm not still reaching or searching for a truth. For me, Judaism is it.


What were your original doubts about agnosticism? How did you settle on Judaism when Christians and Muslims all are technically worshipping the same God? Did you consider any non-Abrahamic?


Uh...no. Christians do not believe this.


What God are Christians worshipping, in your opinion? And how does it differ from the Jewish and Muslim God?

Non-Christian here, but it seems like they worship Jesus more than God. And, I know, I know, Jesus IS God somehow, but my guess is that if you don't worship Jesus, you're not worshipping the same God, or not doing it correctly? *shrug*


I agree with these two previous posts. What I don't understand was the poster who said, "Uh...no. Christians do not believe this."

To this poster, you do realize that Jesus was a Jew? He was born into a Jewish family and was raised in Jewish traditions. He participated in Jewish customs and teachings, which is evident throughout the New Testament.

Take for example Matthew 5:17, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Jesus' mission was a continuation and fulfillment of Jewish teachings.

For a non-theist, this is in part why certain aspects of religion make zero sense, especially the "Holy Trinity" idea of Christians.



PP here. The traditional Christian position is that Christianity is the continuation of spiritual Israel. In the New Testament, Christ is called the "true Israel" and all who are in Christ are in Israel. Christ is indeed seen as the fulfillment of all that the Old Testament said about the One who was to come. Also in the New Testament, Paul points out that now there is neither Jew nor Greek [Gentile] but all are one in Christ. He also says the he is a Jew who is one inwardly.

Modern Rabbinic Judaism is seen (both by their own self-identifying account and by Christians) as the continuation of the Pharisaic Judaism that Christ so opposed when He was on earth. Traditionally, Christians see this Pharisaic Rabbinic Judaism as a false Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Protestant, but never really felt like it made sense, even as a kid. As a teenager, I became agnostic, mostly because I couldn't reconcile so many tragedies in the world with the concept of an all-powerful, loving God. I never considered myself an atheist, because I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there, but I was comfortable with questioning and being uncertain of God's existence.

In college, I became friends with an atheist and her certainty that God didn't exist caused a knee-jerk reaction in me that God did exist. Acknowledging the certainty I felt caused me to reexamine my agnosticism, and ultimately I went looking for a religion that embraced the uncertainty of God's nature (or our understanding of God) without necessarily being uncertain of God's existence. I found Judaism, which encourages questioning and critical thinking and views those not as a crisis of faith, but as an expression of faith. I converted to Judaism and married a Jew and am now raising a Jewish family.


"I couldn't fully commit to the idea that there is nothing out there" - Overcoming the fear that has been instilled in you through most of your life both through direct teaching (you were raised protestant) and society/culture (christianity is the majority religion in the US) is typically the last step to realizing truth. It's a shame you have not yet been able to reach it, but I respect your search.

I think you may have misunderstood my story. It wasn't out of fear that I rejected atheism (which I never committed to) or agnosticism. I wasn't afraid of the possibility of nothingness or the uncertainty of not knowing; I embraced the unknown of God's existence and largely lived my formative years without God. I realized when presented with atheist certainty that there is no God, that I did, in fact, believe there is a God, and that my issue was simply with the Christian understanding of God, rather than God's existence itself. I'm not still reaching or searching for a truth. For me, Judaism is it.


What were your original doubts about agnosticism? How did you settle on Judaism when Christians and Muslims all are technically worshipping the same God? Did you consider any non-Abrahamic?


Uh...no. Christians do not believe this.


What God are Christians worshipping, in your opinion? And how does it differ from the Jewish and Muslim God?

Non-Christian here, but it seems like they worship Jesus more than God. And, I know, I know, Jesus IS God somehow, but my guess is that if you don't worship Jesus, you're not worshipping the same God, or not doing it correctly? *shrug*


I agree with these two previous posts. What I don't understand was the poster who said, "Uh...no. Christians do not believe this."

To this poster, you do realize that Jesus was a Jew? He was born into a Jewish family and was raised in Jewish traditions. He participated in Jewish customs and teachings, which is evident throughout the New Testament.

Take for example Matthew 5:17, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Jesus' mission was a continuation and fulfillment of Jewish teachings.

For a non-theist, this is in part why certain aspects of religion make zero sense, especially the "Holy Trinity" idea of Christians.



PP here. The traditional Christian position is that Christianity is the continuation of spiritual Israel. In the New Testament, Christ is called the "true Israel" and all who are in Christ are in Israel. Christ is indeed seen as the fulfillment of all that the Old Testament said about the One who was to come. Also in the New Testament, Paul points out that now there is neither Jew nor Greek [Gentile] but all are one in Christ. He also says the he is a Jew who is one inwardly.

Modern Rabbinic Judaism is seen (both by their own self-identifying account and by Christians) as the continuation of the Pharisaic Judaism that Christ so opposed when He was on earth. Traditionally, Christians see this Pharisaic Rabbinic Judaism as a false Israel.



And nothing in this explanation makes the original statement untrue that all the abrahamic faiths are worshipping the same god, even if how they interpret how to worship/practice their faith are different.

With that said, how do you square the trinity concept with it also being the jewish god?
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