Which high schools allow 9th graders to take AP Statistics?

[Anonymous]

You can take it concurrently with precalc, but there's no benefit since there's nothing after it in the high school course guide. I LOVE the class and think it's phenomenal for students to take (even without a calculus background), but I would use the elective for something else that opens more options for sophomore-senior year.

Plus, in the event they get to senior year and are burnt out or decide they are majoring in something that doesn't require high level math, it's really nice to still have a weighted math credit to fall back on.

That said, any school *should* allow him to register. Algebra 2 is the only prereq and I have kids coming from both honors and gen ed algebra 2 every year (just not as freshmen)

--AP Stats (and calc) teacher

[Anonymous]

As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son is already taking Honors Algebra II this year in 8th grade and will take AP Pre-calc BC. Has anyone else's child taken AP Stats in 9th grade?

**This is the AAP message board, no need to respond that 9th graders shouldn't be taking AP classes or to "just let them be a kid". I'm looking for advice from other parents with kids on similar math paths as my son.

There's no such thing as "AP Pre-calc BC," is there? Do you mean AP Precalc?

Here's a website that explains it, targeted to people like you.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22AP+Precalculus+BC%22+fcps

So it's not a real thing, it's something that some FCPS schools made up.

Subset of Traditional Precalculus == AP Precalculus
Traditional Precalculus == AP Precalculus BC (fcps attached this BC suffix to mean it is more than the substandard AP Precalculus)

Equity advocates raised concerns that the lowest-level math AP, which has recently been AP Calculus AB, was too challenging to study for. In response, the College Board proposed creating a new AP course based on the topics in Traditional Precalculus, which was also considered still too difficult by equity advocates. As a result, the College Board developed AP Precalculus, a subset of Traditional Precalculus topics, aimed at students who don’t plan to take AP Calculus AB/BC but still want the satisfaction of earning AP credit. Equity achieved.

Since AP Precalculus is a subset of Traditional Precalculus, FCPS renamed the latter to AP Precalculus BC, with the "BC" indicating a more advanced level.

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/a-new-ap-precalculus-course-aims-to-diversify-the-math-pipeline/2022/05

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can take it concurrently with precalc, but there's no benefit since there's nothing after it in the high school course guide. I LOVE the class and think it's phenomenal for students to take (even without a calculus background), but I would use the elective for something else that opens more options for sophomore-senior year.

Plus, in the event they get to senior year and are burnt out or decide they are majoring in something that doesn't require high level math, it's really nice to still have a weighted math credit to fall back on.

That said, any school *should* allow him to register. Algebra 2 is the only prereq and I have kids coming from both honors and gen ed algebra 2 every year (just not as freshmen)

--AP Stats (and calc) teacher

Thank you for your insight. It is helpful to hear from an AP Stats teacher!

[Anonymous]

My son took AP statistics as a freshman at WJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

That’s very unlikely, if that’s true, based on the Map Algebra 2 statistics he’d be the best 8th grader in math in the district, Mathcounts state winner, AIME qualifier level etc.

Your exaggerations give off some extreme tiger parenting vibes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The pre-rec for AP Statistics is Algebra II

Prerequisites and what you need to know to do well are two different things. The fundamentals of binomial and geometric distributions are taught in precalculus. You can treat inferential statistics with rudimentary tools or be prepared with calculus bc under your belt.

What would be the reason to take AP statistics concurrent with precalculus? Can’t thing of a good one. There’s not much to gain, and taking it before being prepared can waste an elective slot and damage the gpa. Take the prerequisite for AP science instead.

OPs student is advanced enough to exhaust most AP and DE classes anyways.

9th precalculus
10th AP calculus bc
11th multivariable and linear algebra (1 semester each)
12th differential equations (1 semester) and AP statistics (2 semesters)

If you really don’t want to double in math during the school year plan for linear algebra or differential equations over the summer since they are lighter than the rest.

There is no benefit to taking AP stats after calculus, as the calculus-based concepts will not be covered. It's like taking honors physics after taking calculus. Much better to take calc based prob&stats after calculus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

That’s very unlikely, if that’s true, based on the Map Algebra 2 statistics he’d be the best 8th grader in math in the district, Mathcounts state winner, AIME qualifier level etc.

Your exaggerations give off some extreme tiger parenting vibes.

I wouldn’t be posting on this site asking about AP Statistics for a 9th grader if I didn’t think he was ready for the class. Just because a student is “the best 8th grader in math in the district” doesn’t mean he is the best at math competitions. He would still need to study competition math strategies or take AOPS/RSM math competition classes. He doesn’t focus all of his time on math. He also plays multiple sports, an instrument, volunteers, does after school activities/clubs, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if multiple kids at his middle school scored in the 99th percentile. Kids taking honors Algebra II in middle school are typically gifted in math.



https://imgur.com/a/map-score-algebra-ii-honors-BvtTsOq

~Tiger Mom

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pre-rec for AP Statistics is Algebra II

Prerequisites and what you need to know to do well are two different things. The fundamentals of binomial and geometric distributions are taught in precalculus. You can treat inferential statistics with rudimentary tools or be prepared with calculus bc under your belt.

What would be the reason to take AP statistics concurrent with precalculus? Can’t thing of a good one. There’s not much to gain, and taking it before being prepared can waste an elective slot and damage the gpa. Take the prerequisite for AP science instead.

OPs student is advanced enough to exhaust most AP and DE classes anyways.

9th precalculus
10th AP calculus bc
11th multivariable and linear algebra (1 semester each)
12th differential equations (1 semester) and AP statistics (2 semesters)

If you really don’t want to double in math during the school year plan for linear algebra or differential equations over the summer since they are lighter than the rest.

There is no benefit to taking AP stats after calculus, as the calculus-based concepts will not be covered. It's like taking honors physics after taking calculus. Much better to take calc based prob&stats after calculus.

You can look up the alternate explanations and treatment that are calculus based, it’s not that complicated or time consuming. The benefit is the better understanding of the material and a higher score on the AP exam. Not everyone has access to calculus based statistics in high school, for example our local community college doesn’t offer it. The overlap for introductory calculus vs. non-calculus classes is significant.

[Anonymous]

My student has completed both AP Calc BC as well as AP Statistics in high school, and received credits for both at their current college. https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/getting-credit-placement/search-policies/college/2350

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

That’s very unlikely, if that’s true, based on the Map Algebra 2 statistics he’d be the best 8th grader in math in the district, Mathcounts state winner, AIME qualifier level etc.

Your exaggerations give off some extreme tiger parenting vibes.

I wouldn’t be posting on this site asking about AP Statistics for a 9th grader if I didn’t think he was ready for the class. Just because a student is “the best 8th grader in math in the district” doesn’t mean he is the best at math competitions. He would still need to study competition math strategies or take AOPS/RSM math competition classes. He doesn’t focus all of his time on math. He also plays multiple sports, an instrument, volunteers, does after school activities/clubs, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if multiple kids at his middle school scored in the 99th percentile. Kids taking honors Algebra II in middle school are typically gifted in math.



https://imgur.com/a/map-score-algebra-ii-honors-BvtTsOq

~Tiger Mom

Agree many in the 99th percentile, especially the Algebra 2 students in middle school.
~Neither Sheep Mom or Tiger Mom, somewhere in between

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

That’s very unlikely, if that’s true, based on the Map Algebra 2 statistics he’d be the best 8th grader in math in the district, Mathcounts state winner, AIME qualifier level etc.

Your exaggerations give off some extreme tiger parenting vibes.

I wouldn’t be posting on this site asking about AP Statistics for a 9th grader if I didn’t think he was ready for the class. Just because a student is “the best 8th grader in math in the district” doesn’t mean he is the best at math competitions. He would still need to study competition math strategies or take AOPS/RSM math competition classes. He doesn’t focus all of his time on math. He also plays multiple sports, an instrument, volunteers, does after school activities/clubs, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if multiple kids at his middle school scored in the 99th percentile. Kids taking honors Algebra II in middle school are typically gifted in math.



https://imgur.com/a/map-score-algebra-ii-honors-BvtTsOq

~Tiger Mom

Agree many in the 99th percentile, especially the Algebra 2 students in middle school.
~Neither Sheep Mom or Tiger Mom, somewhere in between

Based on the NWEA data, about 20% of 8th graders that take Algebra 2 are in the 99th percentile.

https://www.nwea.org/uploads/2021/06/2019-MAP-Growth-HS-Math-Norms-Report-FINAL.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

That’s very unlikely, if that’s true, based on the Map Algebra 2 statistics he’d be the best 8th grader in math in the district, Mathcounts state winner, AIME qualifier level etc.

Your exaggerations give off some extreme tiger parenting vibes.

Where is this poster now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As noted up thread, if you double up precalculus with statistics, he’ll run out of classes in high school even assuming availability of double enrollment at the community college. He might still be ok if some computer science classes can be counted as math, as they often are, but the OP should check the available options.

It sounds like OP is confident in her kid’s math abilities, but I’d make sure the child can handle both precalculus (AP or honors) and AP statistics at the same time, especially since this will be his first year of high school. There are some measures like MAP in the 265-270 range, or even Khan Academy score above 90% in Algebra 1, 2 and Geometry. Don’t rely on grades alone because it could backfire, teachers and assessments vary wildly across schools. There’s nothing worse than acceleration with gaps left behind and bombing classes because the student moved too fast when he could have slowed down a bit to master the fundamentals and excel.

I’m pretty confident in his math abilities. He has always been highly gifted in math. He scored 99th percentile on his Algebra II Map assessment at the beginning of the year. He also had As in Honors Algebra I and Honors Geometry as well as passed advanced on the SOLs.

OP, there is no need to take it that early. Wait till Jr. or Sr. year. My sophmore is taking Calc BC and they don't have any other math offerings at the school past that so we have no idea what will happen next year when you are required to take 4 years of math.