Trump canceling flights for 1600 Afghan refugees

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since 99% of them are men that support Afghanistan’s treatment of women, why should I care?

Prepare to be canceled for speaking the truth.

If it can be shown that a significant majority are women or young children, I will agree this is not good. But a bunch of men who support what the Taliban is doing to women? No thank you.

Spoiler alert: they won’t be women and young children.

If they were Taliban, why would they have worked with the US military?

They don’t have to be Taliban to support what the Taliban is doing to women.

A man who is out there in Afghanistan actively risking his life to fight for the rights of Afghan women? Sure, bring him here as a refugee. But that isn’t 99.9% of this group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I help settle Afghan families and they are on no one's dime. We work with them to find jobs, housing, clothes and furniture. These are families with small children we are talking about.

But I guess I needn't try to appeal to MAGA using things like humanity and Christian values, since they clearly have none.

I have also worked with an Afghan refugee and most of these comments are off base.
The refugee I worked with was shot at on the way to the airport to leave. Can you imagine trying to do that with young kids? He was also at risk of being killed because he worked with the US government, while his kids and wife presumably weren’t. It made the most sense to send the husband first to establish and he expected to bring his family over (which he made no progress on even before Trump…it is an incredibly difficult process). I hope that you understand they just can’t go back to Afghanistan as they will be killed. And he gets absolutely nothing from the US government after the first 12 months. They must show financial independents part of the process.

Did you ever wonder if he might have been telling you a story to gain your sympathy? Ever heard of taqqiyah?
What kind of coward leaves their wife and children at risk of death while they enjoy a cozy apartment in the US? Food and clothing delivered by the local purple-haired ladies club.

Their lives here are not good. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about that which you don’t know.
You would not try to flee with kids who slow down the process while being shot at. It’s easy to hide behind your computer screen and talk big.

I’m not the PP but it is precisely because my family originally came to the US as war refugees being shot at that I am somewhat skeptical. What I know of the refugees from Afghanistan (and particularly how single-male-dominated that group is) does not match with either my family’s personal experience or those of other refugees I know.

It is possible there are circumstances we do not understand, but being a little skeptical of what we are seeing, given how different the character is compared to other refugee resettlement programs, is not knee-jerk MAGA.

I don't know that much about it, but if the process is weighted towards people that worked with the American troops, it totally makes sense that there were more men that worked with the American troops than women, and likely more single men since it was probably kind of risky even then. We have neighbors that came over from Iraq because the husband helped the American troops in Iraq in a technical/professional capacity (basically utilities supprt). I am sure there are just not as many women working in those fields in Afghanistan, plus less women whose families were comfortable with them working with the majority-male American troops.

Trump just seems to miss the "pay it forward" concept. This 1600 people is really nothing in the scope of the American population. But *cancelling* the commitments to them will make a big splash for the future in countries where we would like people to help our troops with translation, clean water, transportation, electricity etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I help settle Afghan families and they are on no one's dime. We work with them to find jobs, housing, clothes and furniture. These are families with small children we are talking about.

But I guess I needn't try to appeal to MAGA using things like humanity and Christian values, since they clearly have none.

I have also worked with an Afghan refugee and most of these comments are off base.
The refugee I worked with was shot at on the way to the airport to leave. Can you imagine trying to do that with young kids? He was also at risk of being killed because he worked with the US government, while his kids and wife presumably weren’t. It made the most sense to send the husband first to establish and he expected to bring his family over (which he made no progress on even before Trump…it is an incredibly difficult process). I hope that you understand they just can’t go back to Afghanistan as they will be killed. And he gets absolutely nothing from the US government after the first 12 months. They must show financial independents part of the process.

Did you ever wonder if he might have been telling you a story to gain your sympathy? Ever heard of taqqiyah?
What kind of coward leaves their wife and children at risk of death while they enjoy a cozy apartment in the US? Food and clothing delivered by the local purple-haired ladies club.

Their lives here are not good. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about that which you don’t know.
You would not try to flee with kids who slow down the process while being shot at. It’s easy to hide behind your computer screen and talk big.

I’m not the PP but it is precisely because my family originally came to the US as war refugees being shot at that I am somewhat skeptical. What I know of the refugees from Afghanistan (and particularly how single-male-dominated that group is) does not match with either my family’s personal experience or those of other refugees I know.

It is possible there are circumstances we do not understand, but being a little skeptical of what we are seeing, given how different the character is compared to other refugee resettlement programs, is not knee-jerk MAGA.

They got a spot on the flights if their lives were in danger because they worked with the US Government. How many women and kids do you think were doing that?
It is always shocking to me that the immigrants here have the least amount of compassion. Not you but I am thinking of two other people I know. It’s almost as if they had it bad and don’t want to help or make it easy for other immigrants. It really is quite surprising to me how many immigrants are Trump supporters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the link it says that some of them were kids coming to be reunited with their families who are already here.

This is really crappy. Feel bad for those families.

He families can voluntarily go back and be with their relatives. Not a problem at all.

This. Why is that so hard to understand. Even for the illegal immigrants in the US, they can go with their parents.

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Yep. Go be with your kids.

[Anonymous]

200,000 refugees let in already, and additional refugees must be let in!
How about do what Trump did with Syrian refugees and arrange for nearby countries to help them. More people helped with less money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:200,000 refugees let in already, and additional refugees must be let in!
How about do what Trump did with Syrian refugees and arrange for nearby countries to help them. More people helped with less money.

What makes you think he did that, other than refuse to allow refugees in?

[Anonymous]

Local refugee program spent a lot time arranging for 2 Burmese children orphaned when their parents were killed in a car accident to live with relatives in the US. Their flight got cancelled last night.

[Anonymous]

You MAGAs are sick, twisted people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I help settle Afghan families and they are on no one's dime. We work with them to find jobs, housing, clothes and furniture. These are families with small children we are talking about.

But I guess I needn't try to appeal to MAGA using things like humanity and Christian values, since they clearly have none.

I have also worked with an Afghan refugee and most of these comments are off base.
The refugee I worked with was shot at on the way to the airport to leave. Can you imagine trying to do that with young kids? He was also at risk of being killed because he worked with the US government, while his kids and wife presumably weren’t. It made the most sense to send the husband first to establish and he expected to bring his family over (which he made no progress on even before Trump…it is an incredibly difficult process). I hope that you understand they just can’t go back to Afghanistan as they will be killed. And he gets absolutely nothing from the US government after the first 12 months. They must show financial independents part of the process.

Did you ever wonder if he might have been telling you a story to gain your sympathy? Ever heard of taqqiyah?
What kind of coward leaves their wife and children at risk of death while they enjoy a cozy apartment in the US? Food and clothing delivered by the local purple-haired ladies club.

Their lives here are not good. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about that which you don’t know.
You would not try to flee with kids who slow down the process while being shot at. It’s easy to hide behind your computer screen and talk big.

I’m not the PP but it is precisely because my family originally came to the US as war refugees being shot at that I am somewhat skeptical. What I know of the refugees from Afghanistan (and particularly how single-male-dominated that group is) does not match with either my family’s personal experience or those of other refugees I know.

It is possible there are circumstances we do not understand, but being a little skeptical of what we are seeing, given how different the character is compared to other refugee resettlement programs, is not knee-jerk MAGA.

I don't know that much about it, but if the process is weighted towards people that worked with the American troops, it totally makes sense that there were more men that worked with the American troops than women, and likely more single men since it was probably kind of risky even then. We have neighbors that came over from Iraq because the husband helped the American troops in Iraq in a technical/professional capacity (basically utilities supprt). I am sure there are just not as many women working in those fields in Afghanistan, plus less women whose families were comfortable with them working with the majority-male American troops.

Trump just seems to miss the "pay it forward" concept. This 1600 people is really nothing in the scope of the American population. But *cancelling* the commitments to them will make a big splash for the future in countries where we would like people to help our troops with translation, clean water, transportation, electricity etc.

I am the PP and I agree that canceling the flights, if it truly is only 1600 left, doesn’t make sense and will have long-term harms.

I’m a little more skeptical of the idea that men were such a large percentage of the refugees overall just because they worked with the US. Not disbelieving you, but that’s been true in other instances where the inbound population has not been so heavily male. And given how incredibly vulnerable Afghan women are, it still feels a little unusual to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:200,000 refugees let in already, and additional refugees must be let in!
How about do what Trump did with Syrian refugees and arrange for nearby countries to help them. More people helped with less money.

What makes you think he did that, other than refuse to allow refugees in?

Because they did that, working with Jordan and Turkey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Local refugee program spent a lot time arranging for 2 Burmese children orphaned when their parents were killed in a car accident to live with relatives in the US. Their flight got cancelled last night.

This is heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since 99% of them are men that support Afghanistan’s treatment of women, why should I care?

Prepare to be canceled for speaking the truth.

If it can be shown that a significant majority are women or young children, I will agree this is not good. But a bunch of men who support what the Taliban is doing to women? No thank you.

Spoiler alert: they won’t be women and young children.

If they were Taliban, why would they have worked with the US military?

They don’t have to be Taliban to support what the Taliban is doing to women.

A man who is out there in Afghanistan actively risking his life to fight for the rights of Afghan women? Sure, bring him here as a refugee. But that isn’t 99.9% of this group.

No, don’t bring him here as a refugee. He should stay there and find other like minded people and fight for his country.

[Anonymous]

Unless they’re willing to denounce their religion and their country’s treatment of women, I couldn’t care less and frankly don’t want them coming here anyway. And if they claim that they do care about the women there, they should stay and fight and make things better in their own country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I help settle Afghan families and they are on no one's dime. We work with them to find jobs, housing, clothes and furniture. These are families with small children we are talking about.

But I guess I needn't try to appeal to MAGA using things like humanity and Christian values, since they clearly have none.

I have also worked with an Afghan refugee and most of these comments are off base.
The refugee I worked with was shot at on the way to the airport to leave. Can you imagine trying to do that with young kids? He was also at risk of being killed because he worked with the US government, while his kids and wife presumably weren’t. It made the most sense to send the husband first to establish and he expected to bring his family over (which he made no progress on even before Trump…it is an incredibly difficult process). I hope that you understand they just can’t go back to Afghanistan as they will be killed. And he gets absolutely nothing from the US government after the first 12 months. They must show financial independents part of the process.

Did you ever wonder if he might have been telling you a story to gain your sympathy? Ever heard of taqqiyah?
What kind of coward leaves their wife and children at risk of death while they enjoy a cozy apartment in the US? Food and clothing delivered by the local purple-haired ladies club.

Their lives here are not good. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking about that which you don’t know.
You would not try to flee with kids who slow down the process while being shot at. It’s easy to hide behind your computer screen and talk big.

I’m not the PP but it is precisely because my family originally came to the US as war refugees being shot at that I am somewhat skeptical. What I know of the refugees from Afghanistan (and particularly how single-male-dominated that group is) does not match with either my family’s personal experience or those of other refugees I know.

It is possible there are circumstances we do not understand, but being a little skeptical of what we are seeing, given how different the character is compared to other refugee resettlement programs, is not knee-jerk MAGA.

The Afghan men who helped the U.S. have wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters. These women are particularly vulnerable and of course should be included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the link it says that some of them were kids coming to be reunited with their families who are already here.

This is really crappy. Feel bad for those families.

He families can voluntarily go back and be with their relatives. Not a problem at all.

TF is wrong with you. This is not Mexico or Guatemala. It’s Afghanistan, with its Taliban.