Supreme Court to hear case on opting out of lessons with LGBTQ+ books

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

It quickly becomes chaos. Opt kids out of evolution in biology, books in English, topics in history.

Evolution is the only example here that has happened and it has a scientific basis to it. This is value instruction and not fact based.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Except the kids being opted out are the ones that need to know it’s ok and normal to be gay or be part of a gay family.

Not the school’s role.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Do they just want to pretend an entire group of people don't exist?

No child in the US today will escape the knowledge that the LGBTQ+ community exists. It doesn’t need to be taught in schools.

Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Everyone knows, but we shouldn't have books with "them" in it or acknowledge them in any way in schools? Why not? What are you afraid of?

They’re afraid that by teaching that gay people exist that gay people will have more rights to… live their lives. Or, gasp, their kid might end up gay.

Don’t conflate facts with religion. It’s a fact that Harvey Milk was assassinated and that gay marriage is the law so of course schools should teach that. Veering into religion (“it’s ok” “it’s normal”) is crossing the line, just as if a school teaching that it’s NOT normal would be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

It quickly becomes chaos. Opt kids out of evolution in biology, books in English, topics in history.

Things parents can opt their kids out of:
Sex Ed
Field Trips
Required Vaccinations (and I’m not talking about COVID)
Dissections
Attendance on religious holidays
Class parties
Saying the Pledge of Allegiance
Watching R-rated movies for instructional purposes
MAP tests

It seems to me that we allow parents to opt their children out of a great many things. Why is this the exception where parents rights become irrelevant?

Because these opt-outs don’t require a replacement. Having a second curriculum is a different animal.

The obvious answer is not to require a replacement and to treat it like sex ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Except the kids being opted out are the ones that need to know it’s ok and normal to be gay or be part of a gay family.

Not the school’s role.

What are you so frightened of?

If your kid is gay, transgender, reading or not reading a book is not going to change anything about his or her sexual preferences.

OTOH. That book and a sense of acceptance might save him or her from suicide.

[Anonymous]

The schools need to day in their lane. It’s not their place to dictate what is or is not okay in someone’s religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

What about opting out of books with interracial couples?

If it’s against someone’s religious beliefs then of course.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not about teaching anything. It’s about whether books used in the classroom can even include pictures or mention of same sex couples.

You cannot demand that everyone else pretend that certain people do not exist. That is dehumanizing.

The whole point of introducing the books is to teach, Maryland doesn’t deny that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Except the kids being opted out are the ones that need to know it’s ok and normal to be gay or be part of a gay family.

Not the school’s role.

What are you so frightened of?

If your kid is gay, transgender, reading or not reading a book is not going to change anything about his or her sexual preferences.

OTOH. That book and a sense of acceptance might save him or her from suicide.

Who said I am frightened and why are you pretending my feelings are the issue?

It’s a fact that going from “gay marriage exists” to “it’s ok to be gay” is moving from the factual to a moral and religious position. Don’t try to spin this to me being scared when I am making a factual claim. Keep to the debate and don’t get personal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Except the kids being opted out are the ones that need to know it’s ok and normal to be gay or be part of a gay family.

Not the school’s role.

What are you so frightened of?

If your kid is gay, transgender, reading or not reading a book is not going to change anything about his or her sexual preferences.

OTOH. That book and a sense of acceptance might save him or her from suicide.

Your latter claim is exactly how families of children with gender identity disorders felt pressured into hormones and surgery and has been disputed by the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Where is the line between kids not being exposed to gay characters in books and kids not being exposed to gay people in schools?

AP:

“The stories include a family’s attendance at a pride parade, a girl’s introduction to her uncle’s husband-to-be, a prince’s love for a knight amid their battle against a dragon, a girl’s anxiety about giving a valentine to another girl and a transgender boy’s decision to share his gender identity with his family.”

In this case, I believe the line has been crossed from education to promotion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Where is the line between kids not being exposed to gay characters in books and kids not being exposed to gay people in schools?

AP:

“The stories include a family’s attendance at a pride parade, a girl’s introduction to her uncle’s husband-to-be, a prince’s love for a knight amid their battle against a dragon, a girl’s anxiety about giving a valentine to another girl and a transgender boy’s decision to share his gender identity with his family.”

In this case, I believe the line has been crossed from education to promotion.

Then we need to remove books with a mom and dad, girls liking boys and giving them valentines and boys falling in love with girls while fightings dragon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some things shouldn’t be discussed that at that young age in a school setting without parental permission.

Agree. I’m atheist so it isn’t even about religion. But our school had a book read in kindergarten by teacher about gender identify: basically saying you can pick your gender, or we both, or be neither, or change whenever. Sorry, but stick to math and science please. There is a time and place for these discussions and I think that should be left up to parents when that is and how it is presented. Switching genders isn’t something flippant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Where is the line between kids not being exposed to gay characters in books and kids not being exposed to gay people in schools?

AP:

“The stories include a family’s attendance at a pride parade, a girl’s introduction to her uncle’s husband-to-be, a prince’s love for a knight amid their battle against a dragon, a girl’s anxiety about giving a valentine to another girl and a transgender boy’s decision to share his gender identity with his family.”

In this case, I believe the line has been crossed from education to promotion.

Then we need to remove books with a mom and dad, girls liking boys and giving them valentines and boys falling in love with girls while fightings dragon

Why? Maryland can simply go back to its original decision allowing an opt out and move on. The status quo worked just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allowing opt out seems like a no brainer.

Where is the line between kids not being exposed to gay characters in books and kids not being exposed to gay people in schools?

AP:

“The stories include a family’s attendance at a pride parade, a girl’s introduction to her uncle’s husband-to-be, a prince’s love for a knight amid their battle against a dragon, a girl’s anxiety about giving a valentine to another girl and a transgender boy’s decision to share his gender identity with his family.”

In this case, I believe the line has been crossed from education to promotion.

Then we need to remove books with a mom and dad, girls liking boys and giving them valentines and boys falling in love with girls while fightings dragon

Exactly. If schools need to stay in their lane and not discuss sexual orientation or have materials that feature a sexual orientation then that should apply across the board. No books that feature couples of any type. No nuclear families. No fairy tales where the prince rescues his princess. It’s all or nothing.