Why is China able to built amazing infrastructure so fast?

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Keep making excuses. When will you finally admit the US isn't exceptional anymore because we have all of our priorities backwards, have subpar engineering, and simply the way we do things is absolutely illogical? But go ahead, keep crapping on the Chinese when they've lifted almost 500M people out of poverty in the span of only 30 years.

Once again, Americans love to hurl it and can't take it. Then they have every excuse in the book for why they're so wealthy yet have infrastructure they really hasn't improved since the 1950s.

Those are completely different situations. The city of Tokyo has a population of 14.2 million people and it is surrounded by an area with much higher elevation. Tokyo is economically viable to protect even with extreme levels of sea rise (eg. 10-30+ft) and it can be protected by building a sea wall in the bay of Tokyo that would be no more than 3.7-4 miles long. New Orleans has a population 364k and it is not economically viable to protect, this situation will only get more costly as sea levels increase. We need to cut our losses and use the money to help people relocate to areas that are well above sea level instead. .

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

I'm not clear on how that makes China an eminently superior country to all others. It sounds like two countries who both have success and problems.

Certainly the Chinese Uyghur population would agree, right?

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Anonymous wrote:And in the USA 16 miles Purple line near Washington DC takes forever ?

Chinese infrastructure is literally the worst in the world.

The only decent thing thy built was the Great Wall of China…..a few thousand years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

I'm not clear on how that makes China an eminently superior country to all others. It sounds like two countries who both have success and problems.

Certainly the Chinese Uyghur population would agree, right?

No one said China was superior. This is an infrastructure thread. When it got pointed out that yes, China does infact have huge infrastructure that's more modern and better than America's Americans in this thread got a chapped ass about it and started bringing up whataboutisms about the melamine scandal in China. Meanwhile, the US has a history of doing crap like letting their corporations sell blood products for hemophilia to poorer countries knowing 100% that it was contaminated by HIV, causing thousands of deaths across the world. Uyghurs agree? How about what do black Americans think about the US after they were subjected to hundreds of years of slavery and human testing in the US from jails in Philadelphia to Tuskegee?

Stay on topic please. This is about infrastructure. If you're going to hurl criticisms about China and excuse away whythe US is basically incapable of doing anything great these days, expect to get smacked back. I'm tired of the excuses for poor US infrastructure 70 years behind. The country needs to get it's head out of it's ass and stop wasting so much money bombing the rest of the world. Everything about US infrastructure increasingly blows and is getting closer and closer to less developed countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

I'm not clear on how that makes China an eminently superior country to all others. It sounds like two countries who both have success and problems.

Certainly the Chinese Uyghur population would agree, right?

No one said China was superior. This is an infrastructure thread. When it got pointed out that yes, China does infact have huge infrastructure that's more modern and better than America's Americans in this thread got a chapped ass about it and started bringing up whataboutisms about the melamine scandal in China. Meanwhile, the US has a history of doing crap like letting their corporations sell blood products for hemophilia to poorer countries knowing 100% that it was contaminated by HIV, causing thousands of deaths across the world. Uyghurs agree? How about what do black Americans think about the US after they were subjected to hundreds of years of slavery and human testing in the US from jails in Philadelphia to Tuskegee?

Stay on topic please. This is about infrastructure. If you're going to hurl criticisms about China and excuse away whythe US is basically incapable of doing anything great these days, expect to get smacked back. I'm tired of the excuses for poor US infrastructure 70 years behind. The country needs to get it's head out of it's ass and stop wasting so much money bombing the rest of the world. Everything about US infrastructure increasingly blows and is getting closer and closer to less developed countries.

Nope, OP. Your post at 17:40, bottom of first page, drive into Flint, Michigan, with the first diversion from bridges. That was you

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And again, nobody had said the US's problems aren't problems.

You asked why China has been able to accomplish these incredible bridges. The answer is in part because a totalitarian regime with beat total control over distribution of resources and the rights (such as they are) of it's citizens can move mountains. Just like fascists make the trains run on time.

And the flip side of that totalitarian regime rife with corruption is that the less showcase bridges are falling apart, the rights of is own citizens are decimated, and the environmental toll can build virtually unchecked. People throughout this thread have listed this in detail.

AND China can produce incredible works of literature and art. AND China can do incredible engineering. AND the US can do incredible things the Chinese have not, AND the US can fail by falling so short it cannot even see what the original goal should have been.

All of these are true. You are the only one who cannot see this, or acknowledge that complexity.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

I'm not clear on how that makes China an eminently superior country to all others. It sounds like two countries who both have success and problems.

Certainly the Chinese Uyghur population would agree, right?

No one said China was superior. This is an infrastructure thread. When it got pointed out that yes, China does infact have huge infrastructure that's more modern and better than America's Americans in this thread got a chapped ass about it and started bringing up whataboutisms about the melamine scandal in China. Meanwhile, the US has a history of doing crap like letting their corporations sell blood products for hemophilia to poorer countries knowing 100% that it was contaminated by HIV, causing thousands of deaths across the world. Uyghurs agree? How about what do black Americans think about the US after they were subjected to hundreds of years of slavery and human testing in the US from jails in Philadelphia to Tuskegee?

Stay on topic please. This is about infrastructure. If you're going to hurl criticisms about China and excuse away whythe US is basically incapable of doing anything great these days, expect to get smacked back. I'm tired of the excuses for poor US infrastructure 70 years behind. The country needs to get it's head out of it's ass and stop wasting so much money bombing the rest of the world. Everything about US infrastructure increasingly blows and is getting closer and closer to less developed countries.

Nope, OP. Your post at 17:40, bottom of first page, drive into Flint, Michigan, with the first diversion from bridges. That was you

Can dish it but can't take it?

Are you stupid? Can you read? The first 3 responses in this thread dunk on China. Everything else was in responss to those.

You simply have a chapped ass that America is now a crumbling 2nd world country with infrastructure decades behind. You can't fathom the US no longer has the best engineers and development. You all dished it it first, now you can eat all of the counter examples blowing up your stupid arguments.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things. They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years. Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind. It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains. They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world. They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail. The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips. Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes. Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1. Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction.

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place. That is true in China and here. The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure. Big new projects here are impressive. Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.

Sounds like a bunch of copium. When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.

Tokyo is Japan, not China.

You seem dense. The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist. That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing. The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!" don't fly when there are so many counterexamples of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways.

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c


Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world. Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese. It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now.

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level.

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Apparently CHina can't help itself from poisoning literal infants just to make a few extra bucks, so -- glass houses.

As opposed to the USA where drugs are contaminated with meningitis due to shoddy oversight, resulting in 100 deaths and sickened almost 80/:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Keep on trying to dish it. I bet you can't take it.

Oh, that's an error. But in China, the contaminant was added deliberately. You still haven't even acknowledged that, have you?

Ha! Why don't you go lookup the history of a drug like rezulin. Data were purposefully manipulated and lobbying efforts applied to have the drug approved even though it was unsafe. All so corporate profits in the US could go up. In the end it killed and maimed dozens of people. And the melamine scandal was dealt with in China, who executed the criminals swiftly.

I'm not clear on how that makes China an eminently superior country to all others. It sounds like two countries who both have success and problems.

Certainly the Chinese Uyghur population would agree, right?

No one said China was superior. This is an infrastructure thread. When it got pointed out that yes, China does infact have huge infrastructure that's more modern and better than America's Americans in this thread got a chapped ass about it and started bringing up whataboutisms about the melamine scandal in China. Meanwhile, the US has a history of doing crap like letting their corporations sell blood products for hemophilia to poorer countries knowing 100% that it was contaminated by HIV, causing thousands of deaths across the world. Uyghurs agree? How about what do black Americans think about the US after they were subjected to hundreds of years of slavery and human testing in the US from jails in Philadelphia to Tuskegee?

Stay on topic please. This is about infrastructure. If you're going to hurl criticisms about China and excuse away whythe US is basically incapable of doing anything great these days, expect to get smacked back. I'm tired of the excuses for poor US infrastructure 70 years behind. The country needs to get it's head out of it's ass and stop wasting so much money bombing the rest of the world. Everything about US infrastructure increasingly blows and is getting closer and closer to less developed countries.

Nope, OP. Your post at 17:40, bottom of first page, drive into Flint, Michigan, with the first diversion from bridges. That was you

Can dish it but can't take it?

Are you stupid? Can you read? The first 3 responses in this thread dunk on China. Everything else was in responss to those.

You simply have a chapped ass that America is now a crumbling 2nd world country with infrastructure decades behind. You can't fathom the US no longer has the best engineers and development. You all dished it it first, now you can eat all of the counter examples blowing up your stupid arguments.

You asked about bridges. People responded about bridges. You went off so hard that you went off your own topic, and then you got even more incensed when people responded to the diversion you posted in kind, with similar or worse Chinese examples.

I don't know, man. I don't think you're making your country look good here, but you do you. Seems kind of crazy pants. Best wishes with it.

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Our trade deals helped China grow like never before while we decline.
Trump wasnt wrong

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I worked as a civil engineer for 20 years and did numerous highway and infrastructure projects. Most of the the delays weren't due to regulations or environmental oversight. I did tons of environmental impact studies and if anything it took months, or a year tops, not the years of delay. It was due to lack of political will, lack of willingness to fund the project, or outright political shenanigans, holding funds hostage in tit-for-tat games, or crying poverty while the infrastructure fails.

Over the holidays I went to visit family only to end up a congested traffic area that we did a study on and thought back to all the way back in 2002 when I did the whole study on widening and improving that stretch of highway. I think it's only just in the last year or two that they've actually started working on getting the funding. It's all political games, more than anything.

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China strikes me as a Potemkin Village on a grand scale. They want to build big things, but it seems like it's mostly for show or bragging rights. Looks impressive on its surface, but underneath it's chicken wire and duct tape holding it together.

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Anonymous wrote:China strikes me as a Potemkin Village on a grand scale. They want to build big things, but it seems like it's mostly for show or bragging rights. Looks impressive on its surface, but underneath it's chicken wire and duct tape holding it together.

No,
They are building it all.
Airports, hospitals, bridges you name it.

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Anonymous wrote:China strikes me as a Potemkin Village on a grand scale. They want to build big things, but it seems like it's mostly for show or bragging rights. Looks impressive on its surface, but underneath it's chicken wire and duct tape holding it together.

No,
They are building it all.
Airports, hospitals, bridges you name it.

Hey if we're talking about buildings in China, does that mean can we talk about buildings in China? I know that's kind of OP's rage thing but the hollow bricks and columns man, wow