WASP a fraud? The true top LACs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Responding to this post on the Wellesley thread
“such an underrated point. There’s so many better outcome LACs than WASP, but they get all the cache for whatever reason. People are too obsessed with acceptance rates to understand the quality of the non-WASP LACs, so all the other schools get dunked on. For some reason, people here love Davidson though.”

Are the WASP schools one big sham?! Should we be looking at a different group of top lacs, based on outcomes, not “prestige,” whatever that means?

Should you be starting another thread?

Yes, a thread with a better outcome, even if it's less prestigious.

Sure

West Point
Harvey Mudd
Annapolis
Middlebury

WHAM

You're welcome.

“Club Tropicana” is my favorite WHAM song, followed by “Everything She Wants”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

Very well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

Another pretentious, bicoastal elite forcing a persecution narrative on the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

There’s a ton of people here who do not respect preprofessional students and eschew any colleges that might have them by hiring away at LACs too. It’s overwhelmingly the elite donor class who can afford to go off on long education journeys barely making any money, while the majority of students actually have to get a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

There’s a ton of people here who do not respect preprofessional students and eschew any colleges that might have them by hiring away at LACs too. It’s overwhelmingly the elite donor class who can afford to go off on long education journeys barely making any money, while the majority of students actually have to get a job.

It would seem that the underrepresentation of Americans in elite PHD programs goes against the grain on this one. Are you saying that all of those immigrant PHD students are from the elite donor class? Interesting view into the mind of a semi-educated MAGAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

There’s a ton of people here who do not respect preprofessional students and eschew any colleges that might have them by hiring away at LACs too. It’s overwhelmingly the elite donor class who can afford to go off on long education journeys barely making any money, while the majority of students actually have to get a job.

It would seem that the underrepresentation of Americans in elite PHD programs goes against the grain on this one. Are you saying that all of those immigrant PHD students are from the elite donor class? Interesting view into the mind of a semi-educated MAGAT.

j
They’re forced into that position because of our horrible immigration system; of course you assume anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conservative. Time and time again it’s been shown that the graduate school crowd are quite wealthy. I don’t know why you’d delude yourself to think otherwise. You think first gen low income students are running towards PhDs in art history at any significant rate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

There’s a ton of people here who do not respect preprofessional students and eschew any colleges that might have them by hiring away at LACs too. It’s overwhelmingly the elite donor class who can afford to go off on long education journeys barely making any money, while the majority of students actually have to get a job.

It would seem that the underrepresentation of Americans in elite PHD programs goes against the grain on this one. Are you saying that all of those immigrant PHD students are from the elite donor class? Interesting view into the mind of a semi-educated MAGAT.

j
They’re forced into that position because of our horrible immigration system; of course you assume anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conservative. Time and time again it’s been shown that the graduate school crowd are quite wealthy. I don’t know why you’d delude yourself to think otherwise. You think first gen low income students are running towards PhDs in art history at any significant rate?

I'm pretty sure that you are confusing correlation and causation across multiple areas of discussion. I am also sure that if you at any actual you would realize that things are not cut and dried and that both of your above assertions are incorrect. You get your own opinions but unless you are a Trumper you don't get your own facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, the Ivy Leagues have had a long run. These days? Overweened hysteria-ridden liberal fringe ideas, for no reason except for the sake of presenting new and novel ideas. Hey, let's confuse today's youth about their sexuality, and let's get the media on-board! End result 40% (I don't know the actual numbers but know it's significant) of adolescent girls, understandably questioning changes happening to their bodies and lives, now think they are gender fluid or trans or whatever the media is screaming about. Definitely, some of them are fluid or trans, and that's fine. But a percentage such as 40% ? Get out of town.

This is why the Ivy Leagues are losing their cachet. They're living la vida loca in an imaginary playground in their minds.

I think it is more of a wealth demographic change. Those colleges always were prestigious and popular because of who traditionally attended them (children of wealthy/elite /political/religiously connected families from the very start of the colonies when very few attended university at all), and that reputation carried them for a long time because it was a self-perpetuating dynamic of social status and social climbing.

People are not as into that today, particularly after the Dot Com Boom made a lot of people wealthy and smart people stopped focusing on just one way to succeed. The brand isn't gone, but it's not the only game in town. It's becoming quaint. It is also becoming tarnished, especially as so much fraud and corruption is revealed among the ranks, both to get into the schools and the number of people who leave them and end ip in prison for white collar crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

Sure but people need job security and incomes, not just delaying reality.

You are stupid and insufferable. Don't bother sending your kids to college, where they'll be educated by those PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with modern medicine, developed by those pesky PhDs who were just delaying reality. Don't bother with the latest technologies, created by those PhDs who were just delaying reality, instead of pursuing job security and incomes.
You are a fool.

There is a group of people here that hate graduate school/degrees. You just have to roll with them.

There’s a ton of people here who do not respect preprofessional students and eschew any colleges that might have them by hiring away at LACs too. It’s overwhelmingly the elite donor class who can afford to go off on long education journeys barely making any money, while the majority of students actually have to get a job.

It would seem that the underrepresentation of Americans in elite PHD programs goes against the grain on this one. Are you saying that all of those immigrant PHD students are from the elite donor class? Interesting view into the mind of a semi-educated MAGAT.

j
They’re forced into that position because of our horrible immigration system; of course you assume anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a conservative. Time and time again it’s been shown that the graduate school crowd are quite wealthy. I don’t know why you’d delude yourself to think otherwise. You think first gen low income students are running towards PhDs in art history at any significant rate?

I'm pretty sure that you are confusing correlation and causation across multiple areas of discussion. I am also sure that if you at any actual you would realize that things are not cut and dried and that both of your above assertions are incorrect. You get your own opinions but unless you are a Trumper you don't get your own facts.

You made no claims and said nothing of substance. Present arguments, stop with the worthless bickering if you’re so right that I’m a trumpie with no correct takes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, the Ivy Leagues have had a long run. These days? Overweened hysteria-ridden liberal fringe ideas, for no reason except for the sake of presenting new and novel ideas. Hey, let's confuse today's youth about their sexuality, and let's get the media on-board! End result 40% (I don't know the actual numbers but know it's significant) of adolescent girls, understandably questioning changes happening to their bodies and lives, now think they are gender fluid or trans or whatever the media is screaming about. Definitely, some of them are fluid or trans, and that's fine. But a percentage such as 40% ? Get out of town.

This is why the Ivy Leagues are losing their cachet. They're living la vida loca in an imaginary playground in their minds.

I think it is more of a wealth demographic change. Those colleges always were prestigious and popular because of who traditionally attended them (children of wealthy/elite /political/religiously connected families from the very start of the colonies when very few attended university at all), and that reputation carried them for a long time because it was a self-perpetuating dynamic of social status and social climbing.

People are not as into that today, particularly after the Dot Com Boom made a lot of people wealthy and smart people stopped focusing on just one way to succeed. The brand isn't gone, but it's not the only game in town. It's becoming quaint. It is also becoming tarnished, especially as so much fraud and corruption is revealed among the ranks, both to get into the schools and the number of people who leave them and end ip in prison for white collar crime.

Given the numbers of applicants it seems like this might be a bit of 'wishful thinking'. That said there is a much wider pool of schools being recognized for excellence, especially in tech fields and that is a very positive thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, the Ivy Leagues have had a long run. These days? Overweened hysteria-ridden liberal fringe ideas, for no reason except for the sake of presenting new and novel ideas. Hey, let's confuse today's youth about their sexuality, and let's get the media on-board! End result 40% (I don't know the actual numbers but know it's significant) of adolescent girls, understandably questioning changes happening to their bodies and lives, now think they are gender fluid or trans or whatever the media is screaming about. Definitely, some of them are fluid or trans, and that's fine. But a percentage such as 40% ? Get out of town.

This is why the Ivy Leagues are losing their cachet. They're living la vida loca in an imaginary playground in their minds.

I think it is more of a wealth demographic change. Those colleges always were prestigious and popular because of who traditionally attended them (children of wealthy/elite /political/religiously connected families from the very start of the colonies when very few attended university at all), and that reputation carried them for a long time because it was a self-perpetuating dynamic of social status and social climbing.

People are not as into that today, particularly after the Dot Com Boom made a lot of people wealthy and smart people stopped focusing on just one way to succeed. The brand isn't gone, but it's not the only game in town. It's becoming quaint. It is also becoming tarnished, especially as so much fraud and corruption is revealed among the ranks, both to get into the schools and the number of people who leave them and end ip in prison for white collar crime.

Given the numbers of applicants it seems like this might be a bit of 'wishful thinking'. That said there is a much wider pool of schools being recognized for excellence, especially in tech fields and that is a very positive thing.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Responding to this post on the Wellesley thread
“such an underrated point. There’s so many better outcome LACs than WASP, but they get all the cache for whatever reason. People are too obsessed with acceptance rates to understand the quality of the non-WASP LACs, so all the other schools get dunked on. For some reason, people here love Davidson though.”

Are the WASP schools one big sham?! Should we be looking at a different group of top lacs, based on outcomes, not “prestige,” whatever that means?

Should you be starting another thread?

Yes, a thread with a better outcome, even if it's less prestigious.

Sure

West Point
Harvey Mudd
Annapolis
Middlebury

WHAM

You're welcome.

Stop with the careless whispers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where PhD's get there start:


Overall https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Reed
4. Swarthmore
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Grinnell
8. Bryn Mawr
9. U Chicago
10. Oberlin

Sciences/Engineering: https://thecollegesolution.com/top-50-colleges-that-produce-science-phds/#:~:text=Okay%2C%20you%20might%20be%20wondering,Institute%20of%20Mining%20and%20Technology.
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. MIT
4. Reed
5. Swarthmore
6. Carleton
7. UChicago
8. Grinnell
9. Rice
10. Princeton

All Disciplines (Women) https://thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/
1. CalTech
2. Harvey Mudd
3. Swarthmore
4. Reed
5. MIT
6. Carleton
7. Pomona
8. UChicago
9 Bryn Mawr
10 Princeton

*their.