Is John's Hopkins still miserably competitive for undergrad once you are in?

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Completely false:

harvard: 74% (total likely less since it aggregates SAT and ACT)

https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.harvard.edu/dist/6/210/files/2024/05/CDS_2023-2024-Final-4755619e875b1241.pdf

Cornell: 56%

https://irp.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CDS_UNL2_2023_2024-v11.pdf

Columbia: 62%
https://opir.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/Common%20Data%20Set/2023-24_Columbia_College_and_Columbia_Engineering_CDS.pdf


You can research the rest

You refuted the 80% PP. At the same time, the stats you provide puts Hopkins at the weaker end of the spectrum.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

Class of 2028 is 273 white out of 1418 total, so 19%.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

You can't draw conclusions about DEI based on the low percentage of white students at Hopkins. Maybe fewer apply overall or there aren't that many that apply with high stats or they are admitted but don't enroll.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

They're majority Asian which means they're about merit. Sorry your white kids can't keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Completely false:

harvard: 74% (total likely less since it aggregates SAT and ACT)

https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.harvard.edu/dist/6/210/files/2024/05/CDS_2023-2024-Final-4755619e875b1241.pdf

Cornell: 56%

https://irp.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CDS_UNL2_2023_2024-v11.pdf

Columbia: 62%
https://opir.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/Common%20Data%20Set/2023-24_Columbia_College_and_Columbia_Engineering_CDS.pdf


You can research the rest

You refuted the 80% PP. At the same time, the stats you provide puts Hopkins at the weaker end of the spectrum.

Doesn't really matter since they are going test required next year unlike several ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

Class of 2028 is 273 white out of 1418 total, so 19%.

Literally says 34% white for class of 2028 - https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

Link to your numbers or pipe down.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

Class of 2028 is 273 white out of 1418 total, so 19%.

Literally says 34% white for class of 2028 - https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

Link to your numbers or pipe down.

Nevermind, you cited numbers for class of 2027 from CDS which are irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

Class of 2028 is 273 white out of 1418 total, so 19%.

Literally says 34% white for class of 2028 - https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

Link to your numbers or pipe down.

Nevermind, you cited numbers for class of 2027 from CDS which are irrelevant.

What explains the difference between 20% white in 2027 and 34% white in 2028?

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

They're majority Asian which means they're about merit. Sorry your white kids can't keep up.

That's very racist.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

Class of 2028 is 273 white out of 1418 total, so 19%.

Literally says 34% white for class of 2028 - https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

Link to your numbers or pipe down.

Nevermind, you cited numbers for class of 2027 from CDS which are irrelevant.

What explains the difference between 20% white in 2027 and 34% white in 2028?

First the 20% is incorrect as you cannot simply divide the number of white students by the total number of students as international students are not broken down by race. Especially as a sizable contingent come from Europe etc in addition to Asia.

Secondly, 2028 is pivotal and more revelant for all schools as it is post the supreme court decision on affirmative action.

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OP don’t do it. No one says that they are happy

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My kids and their friends are quite happy there. I don't know what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

They're majority Asian which means they're about merit. Sorry your white kids can't keep up.

That doesn't really explain the low white enrollment compared to Blacks and Hispanics. JHU enrollment, US residents only, from most recent CDS:

US population: ~6%
JHU: 27% (1,496/5,618)

Black
US population: ~12%
JHU: 9% (533/5,618)

Hispanic/Latino
US population: ~19%
JHU: 21% (1,163/5,618)

White
US population: ~60%
JHU: 20% (1,124/5,618)

I'm not suggesting that JHU is discriminating against whites, just pointing out that it's more complex than you are suggesting.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

They're majority Asian which means they're about merit. Sorry your white kids can't keep up.

That doesn't really explain the low white enrollment compared to Blacks and Hispanics. JHU enrollment, US residents only, from most recent CDS:

US population: ~6%
JHU: 27% (1,496/5,618)

Black
US population: ~12%
JHU: 9% (533/5,618)

Hispanic/Latino
US population: ~19%
JHU: 21% (1,163/5,618)

White
US population: ~60%
JHU: 20% (1,124/5,618)

I'm not suggesting that JHU is discriminating against whites, just pointing out that it's more complex than you are suggesting.

It's because they emphasized race to the detriment of whites. They course corrected with class of 2028 as have many schools now. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

They're majority Asian which means they're about merit. Sorry your white kids can't keep up.

That doesn't really explain the low white enrollment compared to Blacks and Hispanics. JHU enrollment, US residents only, from most recent CDS:

US population: ~6%
JHU: 27% (1,496/5,618)

Black
US population: ~12%
JHU: 9% (533/5,618)

Hispanic/Latino
US population: ~19%
JHU: 21% (1,163/5,618)

White
US population: ~60%
JHU: 20% (1,124/5,618)

I'm not suggesting that JHU is discriminating against whites, just pointing out that it's more complex than you are suggesting.

It's because they emphasized race to the detriment of whites. They course corrected with class of 2028 as have many schools now. Move on.

And again, you've got to stop using white divided by overall total student population as international students are not broken out by race. It undercounts percentage of whites.