Is John's Hopkins still miserably competitive for undergrad once you are in?

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

DP. Actually if you pull up pre-test optional SAT ranges the JHU 25th%ile is 1480, very similar to most of the other T15 privates: that was the 98th %ile in 2019. So about 75% 98-99th %ile is spot on. Mine is at an ivy that ranks in the top 10 and has very similar grade distributions to the above post, including the description now vs the early 90s (when DH attended). Other alum parents discuss it on parent pages--C's are rare now, but our kids still pull late nights and long weekends trying to get around the mean on notoriously difficult exams in Calc, chem, CS, and the dreaded Econ, which apparently were the lowest means years ago. It seems quite reasonable JHU as a top 10 would be fairly similar SAT ranges (pre-TO) and they are.

Agreed but the argument is you
cannot compare the current crop of test optional kids to pre-test optional. Pre test optional was by definition 100% test required. It’s a possibility they and other top privates admitted 25% of the current and previous few year student bodies with test scores under 1400 even. we just dont know as people did not submit low scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

Example at Harvard: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/[img]

Caltech example showing students are performing worse on the same exams:

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/#faculty-petition

The math intro course added to Harvard has been discussed in detail on this board: it is a watered down PRE-precalc course for the least prepared, less than 10% of the harvard class. The left tail of the distribution has likely fallen off the past three years with TO and other equity admissions, but the non-hooked students admitted to ivy/t10 is not likely significantly different and certainly they do not take that new easy math course! The average unhooked ivy student took AP or IB calculus in high school starts in the equivalent of BC calc. Tests need to be reinstated everywhere but it is a gross exaggeration to say the unhooked student population of these schools is dumber and less intellectual/barely keeping up compared to 3 years ago.

Not what im arguing. I dont think the right tail has gotten significantly smarter but in aggregate, I do think the left tail has gotten worse. 30-35% of the class not submitting test scores is more than just the extreme left tail.

[Anonymous]

https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

Here is dartmouth’s most recent test required class.

Their sat range cratered from to 1440 to 1560 (about the same as test required from 5 years ago) from 1510 to 1560 during test optional.

I think test optional likely comprised more than 25% of kids with less than 1440 as a score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

Here is dartmouth’s most recent test required class.

Their sat range cratered from to 1440 to 1560 (about the same as test required from 5 years ago) from 1510 to 1560 during test optional.

I think test optional likely comprised more than 25% of kids with less than 1440 as a score.

I think we will see scores drop to pre test optional levels at most of the schools going back to test optional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

[Anonymous]

^ yeah any school that has a large percentage of no scores is dum-dum. Vanderbilt also only has 40% accepted that submitted scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ yeah any school that has a large percentage of no scores is dum-dum. Vanderbilt also only has 40% accepted that submitted scores

Surprising because Vanderbilt used to care a lot about scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Hopkins is back to test required next cycle and I m willing to bet they take more kids with test scores this cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Completely false:

harvard: 74% (total likely less since it aggregates SAT and ACT)

https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.harvard.edu/dist/6/210/files/2024/05/CDS_2023-2024-Final-4755619e875b1241.pdf

Cornell: 56%

https://irp.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CDS_UNL2_2023_2024-v11.pdf

Columbia: 62%
https://opir.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/Common%20Data%20Set/2023-24_Columbia_College_and_Columbia_Engineering_CDS.pdf


You can research the rest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Wrong again.

What does committed to DEI mean? It's barely 5% black.

American Indian/Alaska Native 0.7%
Asian 46.0%
Black 5.7%
Hispanic 10.7%
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 0.6%
White 34.1%
International 15.0%
Unknown 3.0%

[Anonymous]

This forum is ripe with misinfo. It's getting embarassing.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile race at Harvard:


African American or Black 14%
Asian American 37%
Hispanic or Latino 16%
Native American 1%
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander <1%

https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

Means there are less white people (31%) at Harvard than Hopkins.

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Anonymous wrote:nope, former classmates i knew who went loved it (they graduated 3-5 years ago).

There is now massive grade inflation with average gpas around a 3.8 and less competition. As a result, it is less intellectual than before (which is good and bad)

A lot of investment in student life experiences like the new student center on campus plus world class ramen and other restaurants near campus.

Still need to further gentrify baltimore, however.

Colleague is a Hopkins alum and his son just got in ED. The sibling goes to ivy where the other parent went. Both are in stem. Both schools have very similar average GPAs: about 3.75-3.8, in other words the same as most ivies. Colleague still knows professors there and they were able to meet with some, ask a lot of questions: the professors still push the kids with challenging coursework and the averages on former "weedout" course midterms is still low (below 70% correct), but the difference is instead of 5% Ds, 30% getting Cs, 40-45 %B and 20-25% A, they have shifted to be more in line with other elites, in order for the GPA for med, law, whatever to be inline with peer schools. In other words, only the bottom 10% of the course will be assigned a C and in many upper level STEM, Cs are almost nonexistent. A student who ends the semester right around average will get a B+, and the top 30-45% get A- or above.
My student is at a different non-ivy T10, physics major, and it is not only eerily the same "spread" in exam based courses, the deans talked about the purposeful shift at freshman parents weekend and put up data comparing the average gpa to ivies currently as well as the (re-normed) SAT averages 1990 compared to fall 2020(not TO) explaining that the school now has 75% of students 98-99th ile and used to have 25% that high. The bottom line: almost all of them are qualified for law or med or whatever they want and they do not want deflation relative to peer schools to hurt the students. They then showed below-average 3.3, 3.5 GPA students and the high percent of those "lower" GPAs that get into US-Med schools and Law schools.

I think your other premise is wrong:
Higher average grades assigned to similarly difficult tests does NOT equal less intellectual. When you have one of these kids in a stem field at one of these schools, they work very hard, push themselves intellectually, talk about a wide variety of topics including favorite non-school authors, outside of class research, and most are vigorous with studies even the ones who are getting almost all As. It is no cakewalk despite the easier grades: they are all built to try to be above average and that is not easy .

have to disagree with this. Caltech, Harvard, MIT and now Hopkins bas reinstituted test scores because they found not all students were up to par due to test optional. There’s no way 75 percent of the class is scoring over 98th percentile on SATs when less than 65 percent even submit scores at ivies and other schools. It is less intellectual because grading is easier and content is dumbed down for students that should t be there.

What are you talking about? even with TO at Ivies last year over 80% of the incoming classes submitted scores. Only 20% didn’t last year at my kid’s Ivy. You can’t look at 2020-21 that was an outlier year everywhere because test centers were closed.

I don’t know where you get less than 65%? And most of them are already back to rest required—except the ones trying to grab more DEI

THIS. Only 55% of the class of 2028 (HS 2924) submitted test scores at Hopkins!!! That’s crazy. The Ivies were back up in the 80% before returning to required (minus Princeton) this year. Princeton & Hopkins seriously lowered standards the past 5 or so years to engineer holistically their social agendas.

Isn’t JHU only about 20% white? They are very, very committed to DEI.

Yes, and a top notch school.

More elite schools are similar in this regard. At least the private ones.