AAP Testing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, you said, "If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade."


????? Why would skipping a grade be preferable to getting into AAP? Your post implies that a child who is "marginal" for AAP should skip a grade. That doesn't even make sense.

Is filing an appeal really being "pushy?" Isn't the mere existence of the appeal process an acknowledgement that perhaps the selection process isn't perfect and that sometimes a child's circumstances might not be fully described in the allotted 5 pages in the application? WISC scores are allowed because sometimes the CogAt or NNAT might be right, but the GBRS wrong -- or sometimes the GBRS is right but the CogAt/NNAT are wrong. There is a host of reasons why an appeal might be necessary. It's not just a matter of "pushy" parents. Just being "pushy" will not get a kid into AAP. There has to be some sort of evidence to back it up.

Get a life loser.

A great retort. I'm glad your reasoning skills are so well developed.


Guess we won;t be seeing your child in AAP because they say intelligence is at least partially genetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, you said, "If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade."


????? Why would skipping a grade be preferable to getting into AAP? Your post implies that a child who is "marginal" for AAP should skip a grade. That doesn't even make sense.

Is filing an appeal really being "pushy?" Isn't the mere existence of the appeal process an acknowledgement that perhaps the selection process isn't perfect and that sometimes a child's circumstances might not be fully described in the allotted 5 pages in the application? WISC scores are allowed because sometimes the CogAt or NNAT might be right, but the GBRS wrong -- or sometimes the GBRS is right but the CogAt/NNAT are wrong. There is a host of reasons why an appeal might be necessary. It's not just a matter of "pushy" parents. Just being "pushy" will not get a kid into AAP. There has to be some sort of evidence to back it up.

Get a life loser.

A great retort. I'm glad your reasoning skills are so well developed.


Guess we won;t be seeing your child in AAP because they say intelligence is at least partially genetic.

Which is why your kid needed a helping hand. Loser!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, you said, "If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade."


????? Why would skipping a grade be preferable to getting into AAP? Your post implies that a child who is "marginal" for AAP should skip a grade. That doesn't even make sense.

Is filing an appeal really being "pushy?" Isn't the mere existence of the appeal process an acknowledgement that perhaps the selection process isn't perfect and that sometimes a child's circumstances might not be fully described in the allotted 5 pages in the application? WISC scores are allowed because sometimes the CogAt or NNAT might be right, but the GBRS wrong -- or sometimes the GBRS is right but the CogAt/NNAT are wrong. There is a host of reasons why an appeal might be necessary. It's not just a matter of "pushy" parents. Just being "pushy" will not get a kid into AAP. There has to be some sort of evidence to back it up.

Get a life loser.

A great retort. I'm glad your reasoning skills are so well developed.


Guess we won;t be seeing your child in AAP because they say intelligence is at least partially genetic.

LOL!

Another case of a parent forcing their child into AAP to satisfy their own insecurities. I'd hate to be your child and I'm willing to bet your child will hate you.

[Anonymous]

All we need is reference to hitler and this thread is done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All we need is reference to hitler and this thread is done

Hitler: You'd better get into AAP or off to the gas chamber you go.

[Anonymous]

If the DC of the mom who went the WISC/appeal route is now flourishiing in the AP class, well then maybe she was right all along. (Although the AAP class doesn't seem much different except maybe the math is a little accelerated and there is more homework, but I can't see how a child who was bored because he/she wasn't "challenged" is suddenly going to excel in AAP), but I could be wrong.

OTH, If the kid is just average and still perceived as a dullard, then the teacher surely has access to the file and can see how the kid got in, and whenever they see the mom they will raise their eyebrows and think ah this is the pushy mom who fought so hard to get this kid in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the DC of the mom who went the WISC/appeal route is now flourishiing in the AP class, well then maybe she was right all along. (Although the AAP class doesn't seem much different except maybe the math is a little accelerated and there is more homework, but I can't see how a child who was bored because he/she wasn't "challenged" is suddenly going to excel in AAP), but I could be wrong.

OTH, If the kid is just average and still perceived as a dullard, then the teacher surely has access to the file and can see how the kid got in, and whenever they see the mom they will raise their eyebrows and think ah this is the pushy mom who fought so hard to get this kid in.

I think once that bridge has been crossed, there's no looking back. Sink or swim, it's up to the parent to decide whether the kid should stay or they should pull him/her out.

Does the AAP committee only considers input from the 2nd grade teacher, or from all the teachers that have taught the kid? I would think the 2nd grade teacher has spent the least amount of the time with the kid and doesn't have full knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the DC of the mom who went the WISC/appeal route is now flourishiing in the AP class, well then maybe she was right all along. (Although the AAP class doesn't seem much different except maybe the math is a little accelerated and there is more homework, but I can't see how a child who was bored because he/she wasn't "challenged" is suddenly going to excel in AAP), but I could be wrong.

OTH, If the kid is just average and still perceived as a dullard, then the teacher surely has access to the file and can see how the kid got in, and whenever they see the mom they will raise their eyebrows and think ah this is the pushy mom who fought so hard to get this kid in.

I think once that bridge has been crossed, there's no looking back. Sink or swim, it's up to the parent to decide whether the kid should stay or they should pull him/her out.

Does the AAP committee only considers input from the 2nd grade teacher, or from all the teachers that have taught the kid? I would think the 2nd grade teacher has spent the least amount of the time with the kid and doesn't have full knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the kid.

There is a comittee, the current teacher, AART, & probably the Assistant Pincipal. By the time they evaluate the student they have at least 5-6 months of written work to go on. I think these work samples play a big role in the determination. IMHO, the creme usually rises to the top. Not that difficult to spot it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the DC of the mom who went the WISC/appeal route is now flourishiing in the AP class, well then maybe she was right all along. (Although the AAP class doesn't seem much different except maybe the math is a little accelerated and there is more homework, but I can't see how a child who was bored because he/she wasn't "challenged" is suddenly going to excel in AAP), but I could be wrong.

OTH, If the kid is just average and still perceived as a dullard, then the teacher surely has access to the file and can see how the kid got in, and whenever they see the mom they will raise their eyebrows and think ah this is the pushy mom who fought so hard to get this kid in.

I think once that bridge has been crossed, there's no looking back. Sink or swim, it's up to the parent to decide whether the kid should stay or they should pull him/her out.

Does the AAP committee only considers input from the 2nd grade teacher, or from all the teachers that have taught the kid? I would think the 2nd grade teacher has spent the least amount of the time with the kid and doesn't have full knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the kid.

There is a comittee, the current teacher, AART, & probably the Assistant Pincipal. By the time they evaluate the student they have at least 5-6 months of written work to go on. I think these work samples play a big role in the determination. IMHO, the creme usually rises to the top. Not that difficult to spot it.

At our school, the current teacher is NOT on the committee. It is the Principal, AP, counselor and AART. The AART interviews the child's previous teachers to discuss your child. She told me that most of the teachers from previous years can barely remember the children and have no anecdotal evidence to share. She only wants anecdotes from the teachers. I'm not sure what exactly the Principal, AP and counselor contribute. They most likely don't know the individual children -- and the AART doesn't know some of them either.

[Anonymous]

As one of those parents who has a child that got into the AAP program with just test scores and the info that the school submitted on her behalf (we submitted no extra testing or work and didn't even turn in the parent form), I am reading this thread and laughing. I am betting that I am not alone in saying that on the eve of the school year beginning, I am not concerned in the least about how the other kids got into the same class as my daughter. Appeals. testing, recommendations as opposed to pool? Who cares? How would I know anyway, and what is the point of worrying about it?

My biggest concern? Will my daughter keep up with whoever happens to be in her class, no matter HOW they got there. Sorry, I don't see the drama in the whole thing. I guess I am just more concerned about my own child as opposed to someone elses. Ya'll need to find a new hobby.

[Anonymous]

As one of those parents who has a child that got into the AAP program with just test scores and the info that the school submitted on her behalf (we submitted no extra testing or work and didn't even turn in the parent form), I am reading this thread and laughing. I am betting that I am not alone in saying that on the eve of the school year beginning, I am not concerned in the least about how the other kids got into the same class as my daughter. Appeals. testing, recommendations as opposed to pool? Who cares? How would I know anyway, and what is the point of worrying about it?

My biggest concern? Will my daughter keep up with whoever happens to be in her class, no matter HOW they got there. Sorry, I don't see the drama in the whole thing. I guess I am just more concerned about my own child as opposed to someone elses. Ya'll need to find a new hobby.

Sorry, but you sound way too normal to be on this thread!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, but you sound way too normal to be on this thread!

Ha! I will take that as a compliment.

It seems to me that the person objecting to kids who got in on appeal or whatever has to be a troll. Why would anyone care? It isn't like their kid is left out because someone else's child took their spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, but you sound way too normal to be on this thread!

Ha! I will take that as a compliment.

It seems to me that the person objecting to kids who got in on appeal or whatever has to be a troll. Why would anyone care? It isn't like their kid is left out because someone else's child took their spot.

I dunno. I was kinda enjoying the back-and-forth and now you've wrecked it.

there were some good ones like

"get a life loser." and,

"LOL!

Another case of a parent forcing their child into AAP to satisfy their own insecurities. I'd hate to be your child and I'm willing to bet your child will hate you."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As one of those parents who has a child that got into the AAP program with just test scores and the info that the school submitted on her behalf (we submitted no extra testing or work and didn't even turn in the parent form), I am reading this thread and laughing. I am betting that I am not alone in saying that on the eve of the school year beginning, I am not concerned in the least about how the other kids got into the same class as my daughter. Appeals. testing, recommendations as opposed to pool? Who cares? How would I know anyway, and what is the point of worrying about it?

My biggest concern? Will my daughter keep up with whoever happens to be in her class, no matter HOW they got there. Sorry, I don't see the drama in the whole thing. I guess I am just more concerned about my own child as opposed to someone elses. Ya'll need to find a new hobby.

So everything's great in La La land. Good for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As one of those parents who has a child that got into the AAP program with just test scores and the info that the school submitted on her behalf (we submitted no extra testing or work and didn't even turn in the parent form), I am reading this thread and laughing. I am betting that I am not alone in saying that on the eve of the school year beginning, I am not concerned in the least about how the other kids got into the same class as my daughter. Appeals. testing, recommendations as opposed to pool? Who cares? How would I know anyway, and what is the point of worrying about it?

My biggest concern? Will my daughter keep up with whoever happens to be in her class, no matter HOW they got there. Sorry, I don't see the drama in the whole thing. I guess I am just more concerned about my own child as opposed to someone elses. Ya'll need to find a new hobby.

So everything's great in La La land. Good for you.

i bet she didn't/doesn't know her daughter's IQ and was/is proud of it too!