AAP Testing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, I really think FCPS should do a study. Some schools are clearly doing a disservice to the students by scaring the parents about AAP and skewing the GBRS!

an urban myth with not a scintilla of evidence to support it. My kid got in via a high GBRS, so I don't believe a word of it!

What school is your child from????? You do NOT know what goes on at other schools.

[Anonymous]

I've seen some test problems from both the CogAT and the NNAT.

Does any of this really determine whether a kid has academically advanced needs?

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

[Anonymous]

I've already replied on this thread twice and am tempted to write another substantive response, but it's not even the first day of school, and all of this was discussed thoroughly in another thread (I think the title is cutoff scores for this year" or something similar). The discussion went on for months and the thread is probably over 20 pages, and it provides a ton of info and differing views. Definitely a good starting point before reinventing the wheel on this thread.

[Anonymous]

It appears that 1st graders (not just 2nd graders) will also take the NNAT this year (October 4 - 8):

http://www.fcps.edu/accountability/testing_calendar/1011_testing_calendar/october10.html


Testing:
* (DRA2) continued
* Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT): grades1 and 2, and certain students in grades 3 through 7. Testing is new for students in grade 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears that 1st graders (not just 2nd graders) will also take the NNAT this year (October 4 - 8 ):

http://www.fcps.edu/accountability/testing_calendar/1011_testing_calendar/october10.html


Testing:
* (DRA2) continued
* Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT): grades1 and 2, and certain students in grades 3 through 7. Testing is new for students in grade 1.

[Anonymous]

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

The whole curriculum is accelerated. When they enter the Center in 3rd grade, they start with the 4th grade math curriculum (so they skip the 3rd grade text & curriculum for math entirely). In other subjects like social studies, they cover the same material but at a much faster pace and in greater depth, with more independent long-term projects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've seen some test problems from both the CogAT and the NNAT.

Does any of this really determine whether a kid has academically advanced needs?

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

misses the point for me. The most important thing isn't so much what gets taught, but who is in the class? Answer: Smarter kids who generally have more ideas, engage in more intelligent discussions and can move ahead faster academically.

[Anonymous]

I agree with PP....In my daughter's AAP class (3rd grade) are her friends mostly..of her 10 2nd grade friends, only one is not in AAP. Furthermore, the kids that slowed down class progress are not in. I will be interested to see out it plays out over the next 8 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears that 1st graders (not just 2nd graders) will also take the NNAT this year (October 4 - 8):

http://www.fcps.edu/accountability/testing_calendar/1011_testing_calendar/october10.html


Testing:
* (DRA2) continued
* Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT): grades1 and 2, and certain students in grades 3 through 7. Testing is new for students in grade 1.

What level NNAT are the 2nd graders tested at? B or C? Is it timed?

I assume since the testing is week long, they cover different test areas per day so that the kids aren't overwhelmed with the testing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen some test problems from both the CogAT and the NNAT.

Does any of this really determine whether a kid has academically advanced needs?

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

misses the point for me. The most important thing isn't so much what gets taught, but who is in the class? Answer: Smarter kids who generally have more ideas, engage in more intelligent discussions and can move ahead faster academically.

The test doesn't seem to prove any of that one way or the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:18:35: 16:55 here.

My 3rd grader started the AAP program this year. We went through the parental referral process. Our base school is a GT center. My experience, with children from Vienna (friends) is every child whose parents tried to get them into AAP got in.

But, I have heard storied that some principals deflate the GBRS to keep the best and brightest in the local schools. So, what would be interesting would be to look at the GBRS vs. CogAT/NNAT for the different schools, and to see if there is a relationship.

The data is out there, but might not be public.

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen some test problems from both the CogAT and the NNAT.

Does any of this really determine whether a kid has academically advanced needs?

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

misses the point for me. The most important thing isn't so much what gets taught, but who is in the class? Answer: Smarter kids who generally have more ideas, engage in more intelligent discussions and can move ahead faster academically.

The test doesn't seem to prove any of that one way or the other.

the test, by itself, doesn't get a kid into GT/AAP. It puts them in a pool of eligibles, but then GBRS and othe factors will decide. All extensively discussed on these various GT threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

Yes.
Really the distinction, IMHO, shouldn't be between referrals and non (because if you weren't in a FCPS in 2d grade you wpould not have been automatically tested - so if your kid moved in from a private school or another school district after second grade, he/she has to be referred in order to get in).

No the real distinction among the students is between those that were granted admission by the FCPS initially and those who got in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen some test problems from both the CogAT and the NNAT.

Does any of this really determine whether a kid has academically advanced needs?

What do the "GT" kids get taught that the regular kids don't?

misses the point for me. The most important thing isn't so much what gets taught, but who is in the class? Answer: Smarter kids who generally have more ideas, engage in more intelligent discussions and can move ahead faster academically.

The test doesn't seem to prove any of that one way or the other.

the test, by itself, doesn't get a kid into GT/AAP. It puts them in a pool of eligibles, but then GBRS and othe factors will decide. All extensively discussed on these various GT threads.

Ok, so if a kid doesn't test into the pool, a parent can submit a referral?

What is GBRS abbreviated for?

[Anonymous]

What is GBRS abbreviated for?

it's all right here: http://www.fcps.edu/DIS/gt/identificationfcps.html