AAP Testing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

Yes.
Really the distinction, IMHO, shouldn't be between referrals and non (because if you weren't in a FCPS in 2d grade you wpould not have been automatically tested - so if your kid moved in from a private school or another school district after second grade, he/she has to be referred in order to get in).

No the real distinction among the students is between those that were granted admission by the FCPS initially and those who got in on appeal.

Guess your kids was a referral with low test scores and you see some sort of superiority with that over a kid who had high test scores but may have been shy in class or not known (or liked) by the teachers so didn't get a high GBRS or was from a school that gives low GBRS scores to keep students. Yes, indeed, it will be interesting to which child performs better (or if there is even a difference).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

Yes.
Really the distinction, IMHO, shouldn't be between referrals and non (because if you weren't in a FCPS in 2d grade you wpould not have been automatically tested - so if your kid moved in from a private school or another school district after second grade, he/she has to be referred in order to get in).

No the real distinction among the students is between those that were granted admission by the FCPS initially and those who got in on appeal.

Guess your kids was a referral with low test scores and you see some sort of superiority with that over a kid who had high test scores but may have been shy in class or not known (or liked) by the teachers so didn't get a high GBRS or was from a school that gives low GBRS scores to keep students. Yes, indeed, it will be interesting to which child performs better (or if there is even a difference).

nope, but I knew you would show up. There are a coupla moms on here who consistentky and fiercley show up to defend their efforts to right the wrong of their snowflake being denied entry into GT because (a) the unsophisticated Cogt test "misses" some kids, and/or (b) the teachers were too inexperienced or biased to properly assess their kid. Has to be one of those to things right, what else could it possibly be? Having been in the classrooms, I suspect who these appeals are (shy, no personality etc.), but can't prove it since it woud be unseemly to ask them how they got in.
But

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:35: 16:55 here.

My 3rd grader started the AAP program this year. We went through the parental referral process. Our base school is a GT center. My experience, with children from Vienna (friends) is every child whose parents tried to get them into AAP got in.

But, I have heard storied that some principals deflate the GBRS to keep the best and brightest in the local schools. So, what would be interesting would be to look at the GBRS vs. CogAT/NNAT for the different schools, and to see if there is a relationship.

The data is out there, but might not be public.

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

If the child is not in the pool, the parent or teacher can refer the child. Generally, these are all bright kids...in my dd's case, she scored nearly the same on each subject area( 115-125). Had the 115 been lower' but the 125 been 5 pts higher' she would have been In the pool. Aap resource teacher and her 2nd grade teacher strongly encouraged us ti refer, and helped us get strong wok samples. And she was admitted, not on appeal, but in May.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:35: 16:55 here.

My 3rd grader started the AAP program this year. We went through the parental referral process. Our base school is a GT center. My experience, with children from Vienna (friends) is every child whose parents tried to get them into AAP got in.

But, I have heard storied that some principals deflate the GBRS to keep the best and brightest in the local schools. So, what would be interesting would be to look at the GBRS vs. CogAT/NNAT for the different schools, and to see if there is a relationship.

The data is out there, but might not be public.

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

If the child is not in the pool, the parent or teacher can refer the child. Generally, these are all bright kids...in my dd's case, she scored nearly the same on each subject area( 115-125). Had the 115 been lower' but the 125 been 5 pts higher' she would have been In the pool. Aap resource teacher and her 2nd grade teacher strongly encouraged us ti refer, and helped us get strong wok samples. And she was admitted, not on appeal, but in May.

What's the highest possible scores for the CogAT and the NNAT?

[Anonymous]

google is your friend....

i typed "what are the maximun scores on the nnat and cogat"

and got a link to

http://www.fcps.edu/DIS/gt/iphone/faqsprocess.html

Answer is 150. I will send you a bill for 5 minutes of my time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are these referrals based on the kids not getting high enough scores to be in the automatic pool?

I wonder how referral kids do in the long run compared to the automatic pool kids.

Yes.
Really the distinction, IMHO, shouldn't be between referrals and non (because if you weren't in a FCPS in 2d grade you wpould not have been automatically tested - so if your kid moved in from a private school or another school district after second grade, he/she has to be referred in order to get in).

No the real distinction among the students is between those that were granted admission by the FCPS initially and those who got in on appeal.

Guess your kids was a referral with low test scores and you see some sort of superiority with that over a kid who had high test scores but may have been shy in class or not known (or liked) by the teachers so didn't get a high GBRS or was from a school that gives low GBRS scores to keep students. Yes, indeed, it will be interesting to which child performs better (or if there is even a difference).

nope, but I knew you would show up. There are a coupla moms on here who consistentky and fiercley show up to defend their efforts to right the wrong of their snowflake being denied entry into GT because (a) the unsophisticated Cogt test "misses" some kids, and/or (b) the teachers were too inexperienced or biased to properly assess their kid. Has to be one of those to things right, what else could it possibly be? Having been in the classrooms, I suspect who these appeals are (shy, no personality etc.), but can't prove it since it woud be unseemly to ask them how they got in.
But

Ah, you must be the poster who is so worried about all of those other, unqualified kids getting into AAP because the class size then gets "bloated" and her special snowflake doesn't get all of the attention. Oh, I see, you've been in those classrooms. . . helicopter mom volunteer who checks out all of the competition from the other kids in the classrooms, are we? I would LOVE to know who you are and to see your kid 20 years from now. I think it would be amusing.

[Anonymous]

PP here. I know I sound bitchy. I'm normally not. I guess I'm just frustrated that the other poster feels the need to judge the other children in the program and thinks her child is so superior. Why does she care if there are "marginal" kids in the program?

For what it's worth, I don't think my kid is marginal. My kid got in on appeal, yes, but there were a lot of circumstances that the committee -- and the school because they are so out of touch -- did not know or realize.

Admission to the AAP is NOT a competition. There are as many slots as are needed. My child needs a slot (based on CogAt scores AND WISC scores), DC got one and the other poster who is so bitter can just get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. I know I sound bitchy. I'm normally not. I guess I'm just frustrated that the other poster feels the need to judge the other children in the program and thinks her child is so superior. Why does she care if there are "marginal" kids in the program?

For what it's worth, I don't think my kid is marginal. My kid got in on appeal, yes, but there were a lot of circumstances that the committee -- and the school because they are so out of touch -- did not know or realize.

Admission to the AAP is NOT a competition. There are as many slots as are needed. My child needs a slot (based on CogAt scores AND WISC scores), DC got one and the other poster who is so bitter can just get over it.

Why did you feel so compelled to get your kid into the AAP program when he/she didn't automatically qualify?

[Anonymous]

Pp: no one automatically qualifies. Every child that is in went though a process...some were in the pool and the parents did nothing, some were in the pool and the parents did a lot on the application, some were parental referrals, and some were on appeal. But no child is automatically entered into the cps aap program.

[Anonymous]

21:44: I am sure glad I am not the judgmental twit that you are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. I know I sound bitchy. I'm normally not. I guess I'm just frustrated that the other poster feels the need to judge the other children in the program and thinks her child is so superior. Why does she care if there are "marginal" kids in the program?

For what it's worth, I don't think my kid is marginal. My kid got in on appeal, yes, but there were a lot of circumstances that the committee -- and the school because they are so out of touch -- did not know or realize.

Admission to the AAP is NOT a competition. There are as many slots as are needed. My child needs a slot (based on CogAt scores AND WISC scores), DC got one and the other poster who is so bitter can just get over it.

Why did you feel so compelled to get your kid into the AAP program when he/she didn't automatically qualify?

21:24 here. What does "automatically qualify" mean? DC was in "the pool." Does that make DC less "qualified" than your child? What makes your child so much more qualified than mine????? I felt "compelled" because it was the right thing for DC. DC's base school was not serving DC's needs. DC is not being challenged in the base school.

Presumably, the same reasons that you felt "compelled" to get your kid into the AAP program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:21:44: I am sure glad I am not the judgmental twit that you are

How is it judgmental to ask a fair question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. I know I sound bitchy. I'm normally not. I guess I'm just frustrated that the other poster feels the need to judge the other children in the program and thinks her child is so superior. Why does she care if there are "marginal" kids in the program?

For what it's worth, I don't think my kid is marginal. My kid got in on appeal, yes, but there were a lot of circumstances that the committee -- and the school because they are so out of touch -- did not know or realize.

Admission to the AAP is NOT a competition. There are as many slots as are needed. My child needs a slot (based on CogAt scores AND WISC scores), DC got one and the other poster who is so bitter can just get over it.

Why did you feel so compelled to get your kid into the AAP program when he/she didn't automatically qualify?

21:24 here. What does "automatically qualify" mean? DC was in "the pool." Does that make DC less "qualified" than your child? What makes your child so much more qualified than mine????? I felt "compelled" because it was the right thing for DC. DC's base school was not serving DC's needs. DC is not being challenged in the base school.

Presumably, the same reasons that you felt "compelled" to get your kid into the AAP program.

I'm just asking just to ask. I don't have any kids that are even at an age to be considering AAP.

You sure are sensitive and touchy.

Chill the hell out.

If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade.

Stop being so pushy.

[Anonymous]

PP, you said, "If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade."


????? Why would skipping a grade be preferable to getting into AAP? Your post implies that a child who is "marginal" for AAP should skip a grade. That doesn't even make sense.

Is filing an appeal really being "pushy?" Isn't the mere existence of the appeal process an acknowledgement that perhaps the selection process isn't perfect and that sometimes a child's circumstances might not be fully described in the allotted 5 pages in the application? WISC scores are allowed because sometimes the CogAt or NNAT might be right, but the GBRS wrong -- or sometimes the GBRS is right but the CogAt/NNAT are wrong. There is a host of reasons why an appeal might be necessary. It's not just a matter of "pushy" parents. Just being "pushy" will not get a kid into AAP. There has to be some sort of evidence to back it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, you said, "If you're DC isn't being challenged, then the teacher should see this and let your DC skip a grade."


????? Why would skipping a grade be preferable to getting into AAP? Your post implies that a child who is "marginal" for AAP should skip a grade. That doesn't even make sense.

Is filing an appeal really being "pushy?" Isn't the mere existence of the appeal process an acknowledgement that perhaps the selection process isn't perfect and that sometimes a child's circumstances might not be fully described in the allotted 5 pages in the application? WISC scores are allowed because sometimes the CogAt or NNAT might be right, but the GBRS wrong -- or sometimes the GBRS is right but the CogAt/NNAT are wrong. There is a host of reasons why an appeal might be necessary. It's not just a matter of "pushy" parents. Just being "pushy" will not get a kid into AAP. There has to be some sort of evidence to back it up.

Get a life loser.