What facts do you.have your kids memorize?

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Just the chronological order of the kingdom dynasties

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Anonymous wrote:Memorization is not the same as education. They can google any of that. I would rather have them remember from working with the concepts and relationships of each topic as opposed to rote memorization.

Turns out that knowing facts (memorization) is the basis of being able to comprehend something.

https://greatminds.org/english/blog/witwisdom/the-science-of-reading-what-is-prior-knowledge-and-why-is-it-important

Knowing facts is definitely NOT the same as memorization. Don’t you find it illuminating that the word “memorization” does not appear even once in that very long article that you used as a citation? Shouldn’t that tell you something?

"Memorization is the process of committing something to memory"

Memorizing it is included in the process of knowing it. If you don't want to memorize it by reciting it or whatever fine, but I think the rest of us are defining memorization to include any way of committing things to memory.

Memorizing the names of the 50 states doesn’t mean you know anything at all about them. They are just words without meaning.

And as people knew in the past (and many know today), learning the words is the first step to being able to add in meaning. I can't point to Kansas on a map if I don't know the word Kansas. I can learn "Kansas" and it's location on a map at the same time, or I can learn Kansas first. Is one better than the other? I don't know. Is knowing the location of Kansas better than not knowing it? I think so.

Being able to read a map is far more useful than being able to list the 50 states in alphabetical order like someone mentioned previously.

I'm going to blow your mind, I can actually read a map too. And I have all 50 state capitals memorized too.

Wow really hard

It must be, because people think you can't do both. "If I memorize states how can I possibly read a map!?"

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Anonymous wrote:Certain states have formally brought back recitation so can look up Georgia, Arkansas dept of education as examples for what they have kids do at each grade level in ES (different poems/speeches at different ages, etc). Also lots of articles about benefit of recitation and how it maps the brains.

For recitation:

Gettysburg address
Preamble Constitution
I have a Dream

For skills standpoint, phonic/spelling rules or really go for it with Latin roots

This is great! Thank you! Not sure why the eye roll, education is dynamic.

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Anonymous wrote:Memorization is not the same as education. They can google any of that. I would rather have them remember from working with the concepts and relationships of each topic as opposed to rote memorization.

I don’t see how you could possibly learn to do math efficiently without memorizing the multiplication tables and addition and subtraction facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Periodic table
Presidents
Preamble to the Constitution

name and address and your phone number of course

Periodic table!? I'm a practicing chemist and don't have it memorized. Granted I have a terrible memory but when I need it I look at it. Why ever waste time having your elementary kids memorize!?

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Full name and DOB
Parents’ full names
Address and mom’s phone number

Drill steps for what to do in case of emergency (muster place if fire, which neighbors to go to if can’t wake up parent, etc).

Age 5

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Calming techniques/mantras.

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Anonymous wrote:Periodic table
Presidents
Preamble to the Constitution

name and address and your phone number of course

Periodic table!? I'm a practicing chemist and don't have it memorized. Granted I have a terrible memory but when I need it I look at it. Why ever waste time having your elementary kids memorize!?

Because they want to brag obv

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Anonymous wrote:Periodic table
Presidents
Preamble to the Constitution

name and address and your phone number of course

Periodic table!? I'm a practicing chemist and don't have it memorized. Granted I have a terrible memory but when I need it I look at it. Why ever waste time having your elementary kids memorize!?

Because they want to brag obv

It's more bragworthy than bragging that you don't know anything because you can just google it.

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Anonymous wrote:Memorization is not the same as education. They can google any of that. I would rather have them remember from working with the concepts and relationships of each topic as opposed to rote memorization.

It’s not either/or. I came name all the states in alphabetical order from rote memorization. I would never need Google for that. Their little brains can soak up a lot of information not just the concepts of each topic.

There’s a song that sings the states in alphabetical order.

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Anonymous wrote:Certain states have formally brought back recitation so can look up Georgia, Arkansas dept of education as examples for what they have kids do at each grade level in ES (different poems/speeches at different ages, etc). Also lots of articles about benefit of recitation and how it maps the brains.

Neither Georgia or Arkansas has a strong public education system. I wouldn’t model anything on them.

DP. Sure they didn't have a strong education system. But it turns out a lot of these places cheerfully jumped on things like the science of reading bandwagon long before the blue states and their test scores are going up. Obviously education can only do so much to compensate for things like SES, though.

Something is working for Georgia. From Sept 2024 report, National Merit Semifinalists for GA= 624 from 126 schools, for VA = 394 for 110 schools (so not all from 1 school for either state- not all TJ or all prep school). Qualifying index 222 of VA, 218 for GA so if want to argue it’s only bc index lower can, but my I do buy into brain mapping and firing those neurons to exercise the brain when little being good- whether by learning instrument, physical exercise, memory games, recitation or all of the above. End of day for me though is making sure is fun and spending time with DS/DD. That’s really what they will remember. So not just shoving them in front of a screen to robot learn and parrot list of facts.

Overall Georgia public schools K-12 are ranked 36 out of the 50 states. This is based on reading and math scores in elementary school, ACT scores, percent graduating high school and money spent on schools.

Interesting is when you account for states public universities the Southern states do much better. Maybe it’s all that football and basketball money but blue states don’t spend as much on higher education. New Hampshire students in K-12 are always in the top ten for high scores in academics but their state universities are in the bottom ten.

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Anonymous wrote:There/their/they’re
Your/you’re
To/too/two
Then/than
Its/it’s
Fewer than/less than
The Smiths/The Smiths’

I remember this tedious work especially in middle school. The one I see people get wrong all the time is further/farther.

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Anonymous wrote:Certain states have formally brought back recitation so can look up Georgia, Arkansas dept of education as examples for what they have kids do at each grade level in ES (different poems/speeches at different ages, etc). Also lots of articles about benefit of recitation and how it maps the brains.

Neither Georgia or Arkansas has a strong public education system. I wouldn’t model anything on them.

DP. Sure they didn't have a strong education system. But it turns out a lot of these places cheerfully jumped on things like the science of reading bandwagon long before the blue states and their test scores are going up. Obviously education can only do so much to compensate for things like SES, though.

Something is working for Georgia. From Sept 2024 report, National Merit Semifinalists for GA= 624 from 126 schools, for VA = 394 for 110 schools (so not all from 1 school for either state- not all TJ or all prep school). Qualifying index 222 of VA, 218 for GA so if want to argue it’s only bc index lower can, but my I do buy into brain mapping and firing those neurons to exercise the brain when little being good- whether by learning instrument, physical exercise, memory games, recitation or all of the above. End of day for me though is making sure is fun and spending time with DS/DD. That’s really what they will remember. So not just shoving them in front of a screen to robot learn and parrot list of facts.

Overall Georgia public schools K-12 are ranked 36 out of the 50 states. This is based on reading and math scores in elementary school, ACT scores, percent graduating high school and money spent on schools.

Interesting is when you account for states public universities the Southern states do much better. Maybe it’s all that football and basketball money but blue states don’t spend as much on higher education. New Hampshire students in K-12 are always in the top ten for high scores in academics but their state universities are in the bottom ten.

Money spent on schools shouldn’t be part of the metric. Georgia does more with while spending fewer dollars per student.

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Anonymous wrote:Memorization is not the same as education. They can google any of that. I would rather have them remember from working with the concepts and relationships of each topic as opposed to rote memorization.

Turns out that knowing facts (memorization) is the basis of being able to comprehend something.

https://greatminds.org/english/blog/witwisdom/the-science-of-reading-what-is-prior-knowledge-and-why-is-it-important

Knowing facts is definitely NOT the same as memorization. Don’t you find it illuminating that the word “memorization” does not appear even once in that very long article that you used as a citation? Shouldn’t that tell you something?

"Memorization is the process of committing something to memory"

Memorizing it is included in the process of knowing it. If you don't want to memorize it by reciting it or whatever fine, but I think the rest of us are defining memorization to include any way of committing things to memory.

Memorizing the names of the 50 states doesn’t mean you know anything at all about them. They are just words without meaning.

And as people knew in the past (and many know today), learning the words is the first step to being able to add in meaning. I can't point to Kansas on a map if I don't know the word Kansas. I can learn "Kansas" and it's location on a map at the same time, or I can learn Kansas first. Is one better than the other? I don't know. Is knowing the location of Kansas better than not knowing it? I think so.

Being able to read a map is far more useful than being able to list the 50 states in alphabetical order like someone mentioned previously.

I'm going to blow your mind, I can actually read a map too. And I have all 50 state capitals memorized too.

Wow really hard

It must be, because people think you can't do both. "If I memorize states how can I possibly read a map!?"

Ask my wife. She can’t read a map.