DC suing Amazon because Amazon avoids crime-ridden area of DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People on those zip codes pay taxes, but they don't get the same infrastructure and services from the local government like the people in NW, SW and NE get. They are discriminated by their government!!

Why don't the attorney general investigate the local government to find what people tax payers in SE are discriminated by DC local government. I pretty sure he is afraid to open the huge Pandora box.

I'm sure if you looked at city expenses (including emergency services), they cost more than than they contribute

That maybe is true if you look in the accounting books, but in real life the money never reach the people who deserves it. Too many "intermediaries." Look at Trayon White for example.

The DC Attorney General is afraid to investigate the DC finances. He is part of the problem.

What do you mean by people who deserve it?

[Anonymous]

All Amazon had to do was tell the truth and probably charge people in SE a cheaper price for Prime. But instead they lied about it and falsely advertised.

It was a scumbag move by Amazon. The lie was worse than the remedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Way to miss the point. Amazon was still charging people for Prime membership, without offering or committing to Prime delivery. That's the illegal part. They ship to that area using UPS, which is slower than the Amazon small van and contractor delivery. You cannot charge people for a service and then not fulfill the service requirements.

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Way to miss the point. Amazon was still charging people for Prime membership, without offering or committing to Prime delivery. That's the illegal part. They ship to that area using UPS, which is slower than the Amazon small van and contractor delivery. You cannot charge people for a service and then not fulfill the service requirements.

The horror. Kind of feels like the AG should have less trivial things to do.

[Anonymous]

People can cancel prime at any time. But it may be more productive for the drivers to carry guns in DC. There's too many robberies in DC. So many people I know moved their business out of DC. Its out of control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People on those zip codes pay taxes, but they don't get the same infrastructure and services from the local government like the people in NW, SW and NE get. They are discriminated by their government!!

Why don't the attorney general investigate the local government to find what people tax payers in SE are discriminated by DC local government. I pretty sure he is afraid to open the huge Pandora box.

I'm sure if you looked at city expenses (including emergency services), they cost more than than they contribute

Hmm I live in SE and I don't use emergency services. Can I get a discount on my taxes? Thanks

[Anonymous]

Only in America do people think Prime = fast shipping only. Point is that Prime benefits are much more than just shipping. DC AG just wants a payout

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All Amazon had to do was tell the truth and probably charge people in SE a cheaper price for Prime. But instead they lied about it and falsely advertised.

It was a scumbag move by Amazon. The lie was worse than the remedy.

Posts like these really demonstrate how much people in DC live in a bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny how he’s mad with Amazon for not delivering to these areas, but he’s not mad at the criminals and the crime that are making these areas undeliverable.

I might be mistaken, but were there some food deliveries that stop delivering to these areas too? It may have been Dominos or Uber eats. I don’t remember exactly but this is not the first company that stopped servicing certain areas.

You didn’t read the story. The AG made it clear that they’re not mad about not sending laser ship drivers, the lawsuit is about still charging people for prime membership without telling them about the limits in their zip code.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm happy that amazon cares about the safety of its drivers. Plenty of places have prime without first party delivery - it's in the TOC

Oh please, they don’t. It’s just that they couldn’t staff it. Or lasership, or whoever couldn’t staff it. The people driving their own cars for peanuts, who do a lot of the last mile, same day stuff, said they wouldn’t go to those neighborhoods. Which is fine, I’m not mad at them! I probably wouldn’t either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only in America do people think Prime = fast shipping only. Point is that Prime benefits are much more than just shipping. DC AG just wants a payout

I wouldn’t be shocked at all if there’s a rural version of this same lawsuit somewhere and the end result is just that Amazon has to tweak how it sells prime memberships like by giving some sort of delivery stats by zip code when people sign up. Which feels appropriate, and there’s no way to get them to do it without suing them, so this feels pretty run of the mill.

Litigation like this is a big part of how consumer protections in America work, and if your blood pressure is rising because this one involves crime and race, you should maybe let that sit for a bit and revisit it at some point. If it feels like this story is poking you in an open wound, it’s because there’s a wound there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how he’s mad with Amazon for not delivering to these areas, but he’s not mad at the criminals and the crime that are making these areas undeliverable.

I might be mistaken, but were there some food deliveries that stop delivering to these areas too? It may have been Dominos or Uber eats. I don’t remember exactly but this is not the first company that stopped servicing certain areas.

You didn’t read the story. The AG made it clear that they’re not mad about not sending laser ship drivers, the lawsuit is about still charging people for prime membership without telling them about the limits in their zip code.

yeah but there would also be a lawsuit if Amazon was upfront about different practices based on crime rates.

Although I very much agree with the consumer protection aspects of this case, it’s another example of how DC’s criminal justice failures have the biggest repercussions EOTR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Schwalb takes no issue with Amazon diverting delivery drivers from perceived high-crime areas but insists that Amazon owes its subscribers in those regions an explanation for delivery delays and perhaps even cheaper subscription prices. He has asked for an injunction on Amazon's allegedly deceptive advertising urging users to pay for fast shipments they rarely, if ever, receive. He also wants Amazon to refund subscribers seemingly cheated out of full subscription benefits and has asked a jury to award civil damages to deter future unfair business practices. Amazon could owe millions in a loss, with each delivery to almost 50,000 users since mid-2022 considered a potential violation."

He's not suing over the redlining, he's suing over the lying

+1 This. Amazon service has been dropping a lot since I became a Prime member a decade plus ago. I don't even live in a high crime area, and my items don't arrive, and there's no messages about he delays even if the items are 1 week late past what we were indicated as estimated delivery time at Checkout. Amazon doesn't send a message notifying the customer of the delay, and their customer service is awful. I would be doubly furious if I had to pay a full price for a Prime subscription Amazon didn't even intend to honor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only in America do people think Prime = fast shipping only. Point is that Prime benefits are much more than just shipping. DC AG just wants a payout

Then Amazon can tell people up front when they're paying for Prime - "You at [address] will not get the fast shipping we advertise" - so that the people can decide for themselves whether the Prime benefits are worth the money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/12/amazon-secretly-slowed-deliveries-deceived-anyone-who-complained-lawsuit-says/

Amazon cancelled first-party delivery management because parts of DC are too dangerous.

DC Attorney big mad.

Maybe he'll get mad enough to do something to make those parts of the city safe.

Right!?