A national abortion ban: what logistically has to happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if the House and Senate pass a national abortion ban bill, Trump will sign it. It could happen as early as the end of January.

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

Can you explain to me, honestly, why you believe Trump and the GOP? What is it that inspires this blind loyalty in the face of what his advisors have literally said they intend to do, just because a man who lies like he breates told you it's not the plan?

There really only are 2 options. Either you all are woefully uninformed or unable to connect the dots on these issues OR you're despicable immoral people who know exactly what they voted for. You guys lose it when people correctly label support for these policies as racist, misogynist, and bigoted, but you also lose it when people assume you must be stupid. I just can't figure out. Are you stupid or evil?

lol with your good faith questioning! “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

It's a valid question. Let's make it easier: do you actually believe him or not?

SCOTUS didn't say abortion is a state issue. Why do you think that? Who told you that?

Read the majority ruling and its discussion of this being an issue for elected representatives, and then recognize that abortions are not an interstate issue. It’s not hard to understand.

You're doing a lot of reading between the lines. That's not Originalist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if the House and Senate pass a national abortion ban bill, Trump will sign it. It could happen as early as the end of January.

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

Can you explain to me, honestly, why you believe Trump and the GOP? What is it that inspires this blind loyalty in the face of what his advisors have literally said they intend to do, just because a man who lies like he breates told you it's not the plan?

There really only are 2 options. Either you all are woefully uninformed or unable to connect the dots on these issues OR you're despicable immoral people who know exactly what they voted for. You guys lose it when people correctly label support for these policies as racist, misogynist, and bigoted, but you also lose it when people assume you must be stupid. I just can't figure out. Are you stupid or evil?

lol with your good faith questioning! “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

It's a valid question. Let's make it easier: do you actually believe him or not?

SCOTUS didn't say abortion is a state issue. Why do you think that? Who told you that?

Read the majority ruling and its discussion of this being an issue for elected representatives, and then recognize that abortions are not an interstate issue. It’s not hard to understand.

You're doing a lot of reading between the lines. That's not Originalist.

NP here. Do you really think that women don't travel across state lines for abortions? Or that doctors don't travel across state lines to provide abortions? Of course there is a nexus to interstate commerce.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if the House and Senate pass a national abortion ban bill, Trump will sign it. It could happen as early as the end of January.

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

Can you explain to me, honestly, why you believe Trump and the GOP? What is it that inspires this blind loyalty in the face of what his advisors have literally said they intend to do, just because a man who lies like he breates told you it's not the plan?

There really only are 2 options. Either you all are woefully uninformed or unable to connect the dots on these issues OR you're despicable immoral people who know exactly what they voted for. You guys lose it when people correctly label support for these policies as racist, misogynist, and bigoted, but you also lose it when people assume you must be stupid. I just can't figure out. Are you stupid or evil?

lol with your good faith questioning! “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

It's a valid question. Let's make it easier: do you actually believe him or not?

SCOTUS didn't say abortion is a state issue. Why do you think that? Who told you that?

Read the majority ruling and its discussion of this being an issue for elected representatives, and then recognize that abortions are not an interstate issue. It’s not hard to understand.

You're doing a lot of reading between the lines. That's not Originalist.

NP here. Do you really think that women don't travel across state lines for abortions? Or that doctors don't travel across state lines to provide abortions? Of course there is a nexus to interstate commerce.

Something could almost certainly be done at the federal level.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10787

~70% of Americans want abortion legal for the first trimester. And pro-choice Americans are much more likely to be single issue voters. The GOP would destroy itself if they passed a national ban from conception. Trump doesn't seem to personally care about abortion, and does care about being popular, so he won't want to do anything crazy pro-life with it. The wild thing is that there is relative consensus for a federal guarantee of legal abortion up to some line, and then a ban after than line. But to give the people what they want, Dems would have to allow Reps to spin it as a "ban after X weeks," and Reps would have to allow Dems to spin it as a "right to abortion until X weeks."

[Anonymous]

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Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

They approved some federal bans before.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats would filibuster it. It won’t pass. The only thing they’re going to pass are things that can be done without 60 votes through reconciliation. Don’t expect anything to happen during Trump’s time in office other than easily reversible executive orders.

The filibuster is toast, sorry to tell you. Rules and ethics were on the ballot and America said "No thanks."

You can say that all day long but I won’t hold my breath and neither should you. There’s a reason it never happens. Senators know that next time they’ll be the ones using it.

More lies. Rs will do whatever they can to get what they want. Precedent and consequences be damned.

"RvW is safe"

Mitch McConnell
Feb 2016: 8 months is too close to the election
Sep 2020: 6 weeks is fine

You think Democrats would bring up a vote on a Republican nominee if they were running the Senate? Then Senator Obama voted to deny Alito a vote on the Senate floor.
There is no contradiction by McConnell. He followed the Schumer/Biden precedent that with the Senate run by the other party they won't bring up a nominee in an election year.

[Anonymous]

A federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks does nothing to keep women from bleeding out in parking lots, dying of sepsis, stroking out from eclampsia or being forced by the state to carry a dying or dead fetus to term traumatizing everyone. Abortion is a medical procedure that is used by medical providers to save the life of the mother. The problems that require this occur past 15 weeks. If the fetus is viable/able to survive it is removed and sent to the NICU. If the fetus isn’t viable, it is kept as comfortable as possible until it dies.

If you develop eclampsia at 21 weeks, you terminate the pregnancy or die. An abortion ban that doesn’t allow medical providers to save the mother is the state sentencing the mother to death. Catholics think it’s perfectly fine for the mother to die. God wants her in heaven with her dead baby. The state should enforce Gods law. They do not care that others are not freaking Catholic. They do not care that this country is based on religious freedom and we do not use the state to enforce their religion!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if the House and Senate pass a national abortion ban bill, Trump will sign it. It could happen as early as the end of January.

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

Can you explain to me, honestly, why you believe Trump and the GOP? What is it that inspires this blind loyalty in the face of what his advisors have literally said they intend to do, just because a man who lies like he breates told you it's not the plan?

There really only are 2 options. Either you all are woefully uninformed or unable to connect the dots on these issues OR you're despicable immoral people who know exactly what they voted for. You guys lose it when people correctly label support for these policies as racist, misogynist, and bigoted, but you also lose it when people assume you must be stupid. I just can't figure out. Are you stupid or evil?

lol with your good faith questioning! “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

It's a valid question. Let's make it easier: do you actually believe him or not?

SCOTUS didn't say abortion is a state issue. Why do you think that? Who told you that?

Read the majority ruling and its discussion of this being an issue for elected representatives, and then recognize that abortions are not an interstate issue. It’s not hard to understand.

You're doing a lot of reading between the lines. That's not Originalist.

Nonsense. Read the majority opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

They approved some federal bans before.

No they haven’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if the House and Senate pass a national abortion ban bill, Trump will sign it. It could happen as early as the end of January.

Trump wouldn’t sign it but even if he did, scotus would over rule it. Abortion is a state not inter-state/federal issue.

Can you explain to me, honestly, why you believe Trump and the GOP? What is it that inspires this blind loyalty in the face of what his advisors have literally said they intend to do, just because a man who lies like he breates told you it's not the plan?

There really only are 2 options. Either you all are woefully uninformed or unable to connect the dots on these issues OR you're despicable immoral people who know exactly what they voted for. You guys lose it when people correctly label support for these policies as racist, misogynist, and bigoted, but you also lose it when people assume you must be stupid. I just can't figure out. Are you stupid or evil?

lol with your good faith questioning! “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

It's a valid question. Let's make it easier: do you actually believe him or not?

SCOTUS didn't say abortion is a state issue. Why do you think that? Who told you that?

Read the majority ruling and its discussion of this being an issue for elected representatives, and then recognize that abortions are not an interstate issue. It’s not hard to understand.

You're doing a lot of reading between the lines. That's not Originalist.

NP here. Do you really think that women don't travel across state lines for abortions? Or that doctors don't travel across state lines to provide abortions? Of course there is a nexus to interstate commerce.

Something could almost certainly be done at the federal level.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10787

~70% of Americans want abortion legal for the first trimester. And pro-choice Americans are much more likely to be single issue voters. The GOP would destroy itself if they passed a national ban from conception. Trump doesn't seem to personally care about abortion, and does care about being popular, so he won't want to do anything crazy pro-life with it. The wild thing is that there is relative consensus for a federal guarantee of legal abortion up to some line, and then a ban after than line. But to give the people what they want, Dems would have to allow Reps to spin it as a "ban after X weeks," and Reps would have to allow Dems to spin it as a "right to abortion until X weeks."

Did you even read the link you provided? It’s acknowledging what I said. Any federal abortion legislation would be needed to be released to interstate issues such as travel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks does nothing to keep women from bleeding out in parking lots, dying of sepsis, stroking out from eclampsia or being forced by the state to carry a dying or dead fetus to term traumatizing everyone. Abortion is a medical procedure that is used by medical providers to save the life of the mother. The problems that require this occur past 15 weeks. If the fetus is viable/able to survive it is removed and sent to the NICU. If the fetus isn’t viable, it is kept as comfortable as possible until it dies.

If you develop eclampsia at 21 weeks, you terminate the pregnancy or die. An abortion ban that doesn’t allow medical providers to save the mother is the state sentencing the mother to death. Catholics think it’s perfectly fine for the mother to die. God wants her in heaven with her dead baby. The state should enforce Gods law. They do not care that others are not freaking Catholic. They do not care that this country is based on religious freedom and we do not use the state to enforce their religion!

Yep, not to mention you do not find out about many devastating fetal abnormalities until 20ish weeks. Or you find out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a chromosomal abnormality and it takes a while to do testing to figure out how it will present and to make a decision about what to do. Fifteen weeks is a meaningless number. What should matter is whether the fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb or not. This is why Roe drew the line at fetal viability. Anything else is a religious decision. So if you're Catholic, don't get an abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is gone. They will ban mifepristone. Then Comstock gets enforced. Next is the morning after pill. But hey ladies, you voted him in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since the USSC said it was a state matter, does the GOP have to get an amendment passed/ratified to institute a ban, or is it a simple lw with 51% majority?
Since the USSC said abortion was a state matter, can Feds try to supercede that?

I am long past the childbearing age and my daughter decided long ago that she does not want children
Nevertheless, I have a special bank account with the money to fly to Canada and to pay for an abortion in the event she does get pregnant and wants an abortion. No woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want. I will add that I have no interest in the weeping and wailing of those of you who weep over a few cells. Mind you bodies and leave the rest of us alone!

As trump does not need to worry about being reelected (assuming he doesn't declare himself president for life) he won't need to pander to the religious right and a national ban on abortion will not be important to his agenda.

Why not just make sure that she has access to birth control

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks does nothing to keep women from bleeding out in parking lots, dying of sepsis, stroking out from eclampsia or being forced by the state to carry a dying or dead fetus to term traumatizing everyone. Abortion is a medical procedure that is used by medical providers to save the life of the mother. The problems that require this occur past 15 weeks. If the fetus is viable/able to survive it is removed and sent to the NICU. If the fetus isn’t viable, it is kept as comfortable as possible until it dies.

If you develop eclampsia at 21 weeks, you terminate the pregnancy or die. An abortion ban that doesn’t allow medical providers to save the mother is the state sentencing the mother to death. Catholics think it’s perfectly fine for the mother to die. God wants her in heaven with her dead baby. The state should enforce Gods law. They do not care that others are not freaking Catholic. They do not care that this country is based on religious freedom and we do not use the state to enforce their religion!

Yep, not to mention you do not find out about many devastating fetal abnormalities until 20ish weeks. Or you find out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a chromosomal abnormality and it takes a while to do testing to figure out how it will present and to make a decision about what to do. Fifteen weeks is a meaningless number. What should matter is whether the fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb or not. This is why Roe drew the line at fetal viability. Anything else is a religious decision. So if you're Catholic, don't get an abortion.

If you’re catholic, keep it a secret

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the USSC said it was a state matter, does the GOP have to get an amendment passed/ratified to institute a ban, or is it a simple lw with 51% majority?
Since the USSC said abortion was a state matter, can Feds try to supercede that?

I am long past the childbearing age and my daughter decided long ago that she does not want children
Nevertheless, I have a special bank account with the money to fly to Canada and to pay for an abortion in the event she does get pregnant and wants an abortion. No woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want. I will add that I have no interest in the weeping and wailing of those of you who weep over a few cells. Mind you bodies and leave the rest of us alone!

As trump does not need to worry about being reelected (assuming he doesn't declare himself president for life) he won't need to pander to the religious right and a national ban on abortion will not be important to his agenda.

Why not just make sure that she has access to birth control

Birth control can fail. Or are you suggesting PP’s daughter get her tubes tied

[Anonymous]

Rich women can and always will be able to get abortions.
Women without the ability / funds / transportation / childcare to commit to multiple day trips to other jurisdictions, on the other hand...
This is how poor people are kept poor. The GOP depends on maintaining this to serve their goals.