Anyone have a high stats kid who ended up at their true safety school?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, ended up at UMD for CS major, with merit.

They applied to 4 reaches, and 2 targets, and the one UMD safety.

1580 sat
4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa from a magnet program

They seem happy there and will do a 3+1 masters program. They are also a dual math major. So, they will graduate with 2 bachelors and 1 masters in four years, all for under $120K. Not too bad.

I know of another magnet student who also ended up in the same boat as my DC.

CS major is just tough.

I wouldn't call a computer science major at the #44 university with a top20 computer science program "true safety" by any definition of the phrase. Isn't that a reach for everyone?
i'm glad it worked out.

What makes you think the safeties and reaches are the same for everyone? Are you assuming the college application process is a true lottery? Your understanding is totally wrong.

Unless the acceptance rate into UMD (or anywhere) is 50%+, then it simply cannot be a "Safety" for anyone. The CS acceptance rate at UMD is around 16-20%. That makes it a REACH for literally everyone. Doesn't matter your stats. There will be plenty of Top stats kids who are rejected because they reject 80%+

Wrong. You either don’t know what a safety is or you don’t understand how college admissions work.

NP. A true safety *for a high stats student* has an acceptance rate well over 50%.

OP here. A safety a school where the student has an 80%+ chance.
A match is 50-50.

Does anyone have an 80%+ of being admitted to computer science at Maryland?

for super high stats kids from a magnet? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

OOS is always a crapshoot, sure, but instate, Nursing

If she's not getting into nursing instate, who is?!

Is she permanently blocked from nursing, or just has to apply after first year?

She has a 4.0 in Chemistry and will either do PA or a separate nursing program or NP after graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

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Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

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This type of thing usually happens for white or Asian males majoring in Eng or CS.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, ended up at UMD for CS major, with merit.

They applied to 4 reaches, and 2 targets, and the one UMD safety.

1580 sat
4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa from a magnet program

They seem happy there and will do a 3+1 masters program. They are also a dual math major. So, they will graduate with 2 bachelors and 1 masters in four years, all for under $120K. Not too bad.

I know of another magnet student who also ended up in the same boat as my DC.

CS major is just tough.

I wouldn't call a computer science major at the #44 university with a top20 computer science program "true safety" by any definition of the phrase. Isn't that a reach for everyone?
i'm glad it worked out.

What makes you think the safeties and reaches are the same for everyone? Are you assuming the college application process is a true lottery? Your understanding is totally wrong.

Unless the acceptance rate into UMD (or anywhere) is 50%+, then it simply cannot be a "Safety" for anyone. The CS acceptance rate at UMD is around 16-20%. That makes it a REACH for literally everyone. Doesn't matter your stats. There will be plenty of Top stats kids who are rejected because they reject 80%+

Wrong. You either don’t know what a safety is or you don’t understand how college admissions work.

Nope, I completely understand. And the acceptance rate is a KEY part of what makes something a Reach, Target, Safety or Likely. Something with a 16% acceptance rate is NOT a safety for anyone. Just like Harvard is not a Safety for anyone (unless your family name is on a building there, and then that's a completely different story), UMD CS is not either.

But people who think like you are precisely why there will be kids who "applied to 15+ T30 schools and didn't get acceptances to any" It happens. Because when acceptance rates are sub 20% it's a reach for everyone unhooked. Vast majority in the 80%+ rejected will also have "a resume highly qualified for the school" yet they got rejected.
And applying to more Reaches doesn't increase your acceptance chances at any one school

My kid applied to UVA, UMich and GTech as safeties (all with CS/engineering) and they got in all of them.

Troll elsewhere

DP: They may not be trolling. UVA in state, Mich, GTech are all likelies (prep school defines that as 75-95% chance) for the top few stem kids in each class our of 170 students. Almost all end up choosing ivy/+ for Engineering/CS (The last 3 super stars went to Stanford, Penn Viper, MIT) but these very top kids almost always get in all 3 of the likely ones. We get detailed scoir reports and it is easy to figure out who is who since you can select by years.

Again, it is not the fact that they were accepted. It is the misunderstanding of what is meant by "safety."

The misunderstanding is on you, not others. A college could be a safety for some but a reach for others. You got it now?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

This 1000%

Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

This 1000%

Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

My kid isn't looking into nursing, but we have been to the Miami campus. If you can afford it and it's not going to affect your financial status negatively, I can absolutely see why you would choose Miami over Towson.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

This 1000%

Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

No. I went to Case for nursing and no one (at a job interview or in the work setting) has ever said to me "oh, wow, you went to Case Western." I've worked alongside (and for) nurses who went to completely no-name schools and this has held true from my first job to my current job (and I moved way up the ranks in nursing and now work in a high level job in an adjacent field). When I was promoted it was because of my track record and work history and not because of where I went to school. Nursing does not care about name brand education.

That said, I think it's completely great to choose a university for nursing based on the university itself. If you want to go to UVA, apply to UVA nursing!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

This 1000%

Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

Not at all. But I can see a family that can afford it being willing to pay more for a particular college experience. Ultimately a BSRN is worth the same regardless of where you get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

This 1000%

Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

No. I went to Case for nursing and no one (at a job interview or in the work setting) has ever said to me "oh, wow, you went to Case Western." I've worked alongside (and for) nurses who went to completely no-name schools and this has held true from my first job to my current job (and I moved way up the ranks in nursing and now work in a high level job in an adjacent field). When I was promoted it was because of my track record and work history and not because of where I went to school. Nursing does not care about name brand education.

That said, I think it's completely great to choose a university for nursing based on the university itself. If you want to go to UVA, apply to UVA nursing!

Does it factor into promotions to management jobs or career advancement?

I guess it's strange because it seems like even MDs have some different career options based on their medical school reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone from recent years have a kid who had high stats but ended up with no options aside from their true safety school?
I.e. they applied to top30 schools (with their college counselor's strong support and/or the support of previous years' stats from their school) but the cards just didn't fall their way and they ended up in their true safety school?

How are they doing now?

I think I completely misunderstood the OP from title to post. I originally thought they were asking about kids who applied and did (or didn’t) get in to top schools but chose a safety. (That would be our DC and a few friends who got in but went lower for many reasons including overall fit, distance, and finances).

But we don’t know of any friends or peers (HS Classes of 2022-2024) that completely struck out at (perceived) top institutions and had to “settle” for a safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, ended up at UMD for CS major, with merit.

They applied to 4 reaches, and 2 targets, and the one UMD safety.

1580 sat
4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa from a magnet program

They seem happy there and will do a 3+1 masters program. They are also a dual math major. So, they will graduate with 2 bachelors and 1 masters in four years, all for under $120K. Not too bad.

I know of another magnet student who also ended up in the same boat as my DC.

CS major is just tough.

I wouldn't call a computer science major at the #44 university with a top20 computer science program "true safety" by any definition of the phrase. Isn't that a reach for everyone?
i'm glad it worked out.

What makes you think the safeties and reaches are the same for everyone? Are you assuming the college application process is a true lottery? Your understanding is totally wrong.

Unless the acceptance rate into UMD (or anywhere) is 50%+, then it simply cannot be a "Safety" for anyone. The CS acceptance rate at UMD is around 16-20%. That makes it a REACH for literally everyone. Doesn't matter your stats. There will be plenty of Top stats kids who are rejected because they reject 80%+

Wrong. You either don’t know what a safety is or you don’t understand how college admissions work.

Nope, I completely understand. And the acceptance rate is a KEY part of what makes something a Reach, Target, Safety or Likely. Something with a 16% acceptance rate is NOT a safety for anyone. Just like Harvard is not a Safety for anyone (unless your family name is on a building there, and then that's a completely different story), UMD CS is not either.

But people who think like you are precisely why there will be kids who "applied to 15+ T30 schools and didn't get acceptances to any" It happens. Because when acceptance rates are sub 20% it's a reach for everyone unhooked. Vast majority in the 80%+ rejected will also have "a resume highly qualified for the school" yet they got rejected.
And applying to more Reaches doesn't increase your acceptance chances at any one school

My kid applied to UVA, UMich and GTech as safeties (all with CS/engineering) and they got in all of them.

Troll elsewhere

DP: They may not be trolling. UVA in state, Mich, GTech are all likelies (prep school defines that as 75-95% chance) for the top few stem kids in each class our of 170 students. Almost all end up choosing ivy/+ for Engineering/CS (The last 3 super stars went to Stanford, Penn Viper, MIT) but these very top kids almost always get in all 3 of the likely ones. We get detailed scoir reports and it is easy to figure out who is who since you can select by years.

Again, it is not the fact that they were accepted. It is the misunderstanding of what is meant by "safety."

The misunderstanding is on you, not others. A college could be a safety for some but a reach for others. You got it now?

+1 my MIT kid had UVA and Michigan as safeties.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, ended up at UMD for CS major, with merit.

They applied to 4 reaches, and 2 targets, and the one UMD safety.

1580 sat
4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa from a magnet program

They seem happy there and will do a 3+1 masters program. They are also a dual math major. So, they will graduate with 2 bachelors and 1 masters in four years, all for under $120K. Not too bad.

I know of another magnet student who also ended up in the same boat as my DC.

CS major is just tough.

DC’s friend had 4.0UW with 12APs and 1500.

Applied CS and was rejected from 10 schools, including Ivys, Duke, and Michigan. Only safety was SUNY Binghamton in-state. So went there with merit money.

Two months in to first year is ok. Has shifted their mindset and isn’t bitter - happy socially but struggling a bit academically because they placed out of so many classes (including MV Calc) that they’re shouldering a really difficult first semester schedule. It’s a transition, for sure.

Our takeaways - CS is a really hard admit everywhere, of course. Killed this kids chance at Michigan, for example.

And safety/easier admit doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy once they get there. I’m hearing about it second-hand (through the kid’s mom) but I think they were naive (and a bit obnoxious?) to think CS at SUNY Binghamton would be easier than at higher ranked schools. The classes are advanced, the professors have high expectations, and the kid’s classmates are apparently every bit as impressive. Obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, ended up at UMD for CS major, with merit.

They applied to 4 reaches, and 2 targets, and the one UMD safety.

1580 sat
4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa from a magnet program

They seem happy there and will do a 3+1 masters program. They are also a dual math major. So, they will graduate with 2 bachelors and 1 masters in four years, all for under $120K. Not too bad.

I know of another magnet student who also ended up in the same boat as my DC.

CS major is just tough.

I wouldn't call a computer science major at the #44 university with a top20 computer science program "true safety" by any definition of the phrase. Isn't that a reach for everyone?
i'm glad it worked out.

What makes you think the safeties and reaches are the same for everyone? Are you assuming the college application process is a true lottery? Your understanding is totally wrong.

Unless the acceptance rate into UMD (or anywhere) is 50%+, then it simply cannot be a "Safety" for anyone. The CS acceptance rate at UMD is around 16-20%. That makes it a REACH for literally everyone. Doesn't matter your stats. There will be plenty of Top stats kids who are rejected because they reject 80%+

Wrong. You either don’t know what a safety is or you don’t understand how college admissions work.

Nope, I completely understand. And the acceptance rate is a KEY part of what makes something a Reach, Target, Safety or Likely. Something with a 16% acceptance rate is NOT a safety for anyone. Just like Harvard is not a Safety for anyone (unless your family name is on a building there, and then that's a completely different story), UMD CS is not either.

But people who think like you are precisely why there will be kids who "applied to 15+ T30 schools and didn't get acceptances to any" It happens. Because when acceptance rates are sub 20% it's a reach for everyone unhooked. Vast majority in the 80%+ rejected will also have "a resume highly qualified for the school" yet they got rejected.
And applying to more Reaches doesn't increase your acceptance chances at any one school

My kid applied to UVA, UMich and GTech as safeties (all with CS/engineering) and they got in all of them.

Troll elsewhere

DP: They may not be trolling. UVA in state, Mich, GTech are all likelies (prep school defines that as 75-95% chance) for the top few stem kids in each class our of 170 students. Almost all end up choosing ivy/+ for Engineering/CS (The last 3 super stars went to Stanford, Penn Viper, MIT) but these very top kids almost always get in all 3 of the likely ones. We get detailed scoir reports and it is easy to figure out who is who since you can select by years.

Again, it is not the fact that they were accepted. It is the misunderstanding of what is meant by "safety."

The misunderstanding is on you, not others. A college could be a safety for some but a reach for others. You got it now?

+1 my MIT kid had UVA and Michigan as safeties.

I'm the PP with a kid who only got into UMD for CS with high stats in a magnet program.

UMD is a safety for kids in DC's peer group. These are super high achieving, high stats kids. They all see UMD as a safety, including for CS.

Now, of course, there are one offs from that peer group who don't get into UMD for CS, but that's a one off. For the vast majority in the magnet programs, UMD CP is a safety. I know of only one kid in the magnet program who didn't get into UMD for CS, and this was 3 years ago, and this kid didn't have a great GPA.

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Yes. DC was top 10 in class and 34 ACT. Accepted everywhere submitted except reach (less than 5% acceptance rate). For location as much as anything chose the true safety and is thriving. Lots of benefits to staying top of class cohort (early registration, research opportunities, etc).