Inside Lacrosse Experience

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Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

I think he is there to evaluate the talent for BIC. They do their own evaluations and try to select the best girls in the county. American Select draws a lot of talented girls. Watching those games allows him to see who the top girls are.

There were only 90 girls selected for this IL. He has nearly twice that for BIC, and vast majority were already in BIC. He's not evaluating for BIC.

AS does get talented girls, it also gets some that are not and more importantly, sends some really good players packing.

How many actual club games does DC attend to evaluate? These girls play 40 games a year, how many is he attending?

Don't forget that BIC is not just Deemer. There are other people that do evaluations. They obviously can't go to all the club games/tourneys. To make the most efficient use of their time, it makes sense to go to all-star events and evaluate girls there. Yes not every talent will be there but a good chunk will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

I think he is there to evaluate the talent for BIC. They do their own evaluations and try to select the best girls in the county. American Select draws a lot of talented girls. Watching those games allows him to see who the top girls are.

There were only 90 girls selected for this IL. He has nearly twice that for BIC, and vast majority were already in BIC. He's not evaluating for BIC.

AS does get talented girls, it also gets some that are not and more importantly, sends some really good players packing.

How many actual club games does DC attend to evaluate? These girls play 40 games a year, how many is he attending?

Nice to see others finally seeing all of this for what it really is. To the PP above, the game is only growing when your checkbook grow, spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

I think he is there to evaluate the talent for BIC. They do their own evaluations and try to select the best girls in the county. American Select draws a lot of talented girls. Watching those games allows him to see who the top girls are.

There were only 90 girls selected for this IL. He has nearly twice that for BIC, and vast majority were already in BIC. He's not evaluating for BIC.

AS does get talented girls, it also gets some that are not and more importantly, sends some really good players packing.

How many actual club games does DC attend to evaluate? These girls play 40 games a year, how many is he attending?

Don't forget that BIC is not just Deemer. There are other people that do evaluations. They obviously can't go to all the club games/tourneys. To make the most efficient use of their time, it makes sense to go to all-star events and evaluate girls there. Yes not every talent will be there but a good chunk will be.

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

[Anonymous]

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Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

[Anonymous]

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Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

UA150 is still open, I think Juniors is as well.

[Anonymous]

BIC isn’t closed either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

You upload to youtube and mark it private and send them the link only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

You upload to youtube and mark it private and send them the link only.

All of these showcases want film but most of the time it’s never reviewed. Best in class, UA 150, Juniors . They all claim to review but it doesn’t happen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

You upload to youtube and mark it private and send them the link only.

All of these showcases want film but most of the time it’s never reviewed. Best in class, UA 150, Juniors . They all claim to review but it doesn’t happen

BIC
He goes to the "top" clubs and asks for a list of their top 5-10 players. He fills over 50% of his BIC summer with these players. He then will take 1-2 from the non traditional clubs, with diverse locations in effort to continue to spread BIC regionally and nationally. His only goal is to attach his brand to the top players of that class. He then also promotes these players in other ways, through social media, through other all star events, etc. Its not about evaluations, its not about development. He's not looking for hidden gems or underrated kids. He wants the kids with brand either by club or by last name. Not to mention his weekly training sessions he does with the top local clubs in Baltimore.

UA150
This brand has really fallen off in recent years. It directly competes with Juniors. They will take what they can get. Being a Robinson Sports promotion, it will pull heavy on M&D kids and those kids are likely to get team MVP awards. There's a huge drop off in backend of players at this event. They will take kids from any club and place to fill the rosters.

Juniors
Basically stole UA150s thunder. They pull better top end talent then UA150 but just due to the amount of invites, the back end is pretty weak in terms of talent. The plus is, they do great on social media and at the end of the day, the top kids in the class will be there.


Are these money grabs? Depends what you want. If you want exposure and resume building, you get what you pay for. End of day, its a chance to have your kid play lacrosse, meet other kids, get exposure. BIC is the best of the bunch sole reason as it has less invitations. its not different than a college football All Star game choosing Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio St kids only. You will get talent. Now will you miss out on the Josh Allens, Zay Flowers, Travis Kelces of the lacrosse world, yes, but again, that's not the goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

You upload to youtube and mark it private and send them the link only.

All of these showcases want film but most of the time it’s never reviewed. Best in class, UA 150, Juniors . They all claim to review but it doesn’t happen

BIC
He goes to the "top" clubs and asks for a list of their top 5-10 players. He fills over 50% of his BIC summer with these players. He then will take 1-2 from the non traditional clubs, with diverse locations in effort to continue to spread BIC regionally and nationally. His only goal is to attach his brand to the top players of that class. He then also promotes these players in other ways, through social media, through other all star events, etc. Its not about evaluations, its not about development. He's not looking for hidden gems or underrated kids. He wants the kids with brand either by club or by last name. Not to mention his weekly training sessions he does with the top local clubs in Baltimore.

UA150
This brand has really fallen off in recent years. It directly competes with Juniors. They will take what they can get. Being a Robinson Sports promotion, it will pull heavy on M&D kids and those kids are likely to get team MVP awards. There's a huge drop off in backend of players at this event. They will take kids from any club and place to fill the rosters.

Juniors
Basically stole UA150s thunder. They pull better top end talent then UA150 but just due to the amount of invites, the back end is pretty weak in terms of talent. The plus is, they do great on social media and at the end of the day, the top kids in the class will be there.


Are these money grabs? Depends what you want. If you want exposure and resume building, you get what you pay for. End of day, its a chance to have your kid play lacrosse, meet other kids, get exposure. BIC is the best of the bunch sole reason as it has less invitations. its not different than a college football All Star game choosing Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio St kids only. You will get talent. Now will you miss out on the Josh Allens, Zay Flowers, Travis Kelces of the lacrosse world, yes, but again, that's not the goal.

Great analysis. I'm surprised you left out AS and All America.

I believe the BIC weekly training sessions are open to anyone willing to pay the $$ to do them. It is pricey so it attracts more serious and committed players that are already good. He has done a good job building the BIC brand. But he does deliver in the sense that BIC does pull the best collection of talent compared to all the other events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet, they ask that you formally apply online, with club recommendation and game film, yet, they don't always review all the applications, which is fine, but just say that.

The same can be said for Juniors Open and UA150, though. 🤷‍♀️I heard of many families who sent film that wasn’t reviewed.

How would they know that the film wasn't reviewed?

You upload to youtube and mark it private and send them the link only.

All of these showcases want film but most of the time it’s never reviewed. Best in class, UA 150, Juniors . They all claim to review but it doesn’t happen

BIC
He goes to the "top" clubs and asks for a list of their top 5-10 players. He fills over 50% of his BIC summer with these players. He then will take 1-2 from the non traditional clubs, with diverse locations in effort to continue to spread BIC regionally and nationally. His only goal is to attach his brand to the top players of that class. He then also promotes these players in other ways, through social media, through other all star events, etc. Its not about evaluations, its not about development. He's not looking for hidden gems or underrated kids. He wants the kids with brand either by club or by last name. Not to mention his weekly training sessions he does with the top local clubs in Baltimore.

UA150
This brand has really fallen off in recent years. It directly competes with Juniors. They will take what they can get. Being a Robinson Sports promotion, it will pull heavy on M&D kids and those kids are likely to get team MVP awards. There's a huge drop off in backend of players at this event. They will take kids from any club and place to fill the rosters.

Juniors
Basically stole UA150s thunder. They pull better top end talent then UA150 but just due to the amount of invites, the back end is pretty weak in terms of talent. The plus is, they do great on social media and at the end of the day, the top kids in the class will be there.


Are these money grabs? Depends what you want. If you want exposure and resume building, you get what you pay for. End of day, its a chance to have your kid play lacrosse, meet other kids, get exposure. BIC is the best of the bunch sole reason as it has less invitations. its not different than a college football All Star game choosing Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio St kids only. You will get talent. Now will you miss out on the Josh Allens, Zay Flowers, Travis Kelces of the lacrosse world, yes, but again, that's not the goal.

Great analysis. I'm surprised you left out AS and All America.

I believe the BIC weekly training sessions are open to anyone willing to pay the $$ to do them. It is pricey so it attracts more serious and committed players that are already good. He has done a good job building the BIC brand. But he does deliver in the sense that BIC does pull the best collection of talent compared to all the other events.

I will say this about the BIC weekly, being that it is afternoon/evening on weekdays, you better be in the Baltimore area or good luck getting there on time.


All America
Tryout based only, if you believe there aren't favoritism or backroom deals on who makes teams. This is oldest between AA and AS and was a marquee event. Its still a traditionally cool thing to be a part of with its dinner the night before and of course the big event, the senior game that gets on ESPNU.
That being said, the MD region was strong at most ages but the other regions were terrible. It was not even a match for the rising 9th/10th grade team this summer. Also keep in mind, they just added another younger grad year, and moved tryouts up, both signs they are fighting to keep up with American Select.

American Select
Tryout based as well, but they did a terrible job picking teams this year, maybe too many kids on field and not enough eyes but they dismissed a lot of talent. This is newer on the scene and was created to give a contrast to AA. Overall, the talent and games far superior to AA. They do a great job of social media and now with Best in Class directly tied, you'll see more social media and more of the same kids getting promoted.

Both of these compete for same kids on same weekend so that does water down the talent, especially at non hotbed areas.