Inside Lacrosse Experience

[Anonymous]

I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

That's def a good point. We are in UNCHARTERED territory. Yes, UA150, All America and the now defunct Nike120 were always around. Then came American Select, then Juniors, then BIC, and now all are going after middle school kids to sign up. The sport has jumped the shark. Don't forget about Apex events, Players Series, etc.

There's just no track record of how important or unimportant these things are, but one thing I can say, a select few are getting most of these. Even a top program like UNC cannot build an entire recruiting class around only those 5% of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

That's def a good point. We are in UNCHARTERED territory. Yes, UA150, All America and the now defunct Nike120 were always around. Then came American Select, then Juniors, then BIC, and now all are going after middle school kids to sign up. The sport has jumped the shark. Don't forget about Apex events, Players Series, etc.

There's just no track record of how important or unimportant these things are, but one thing I can say, a select few are getting most of these. Even a top program like UNC cannot build an entire recruiting class around only those 5% of kids.

Most of the coaches and evaluators at events like the IL ID and others do very little evaluation. As PP has said, seems to be a clique of events all hanging out together and targeting a very small pool of players. The fomo around doing all of these showcase events with doing pre training like trainings, multiple best in class events, american select, all seem to be more and more money grabs and biased. Lots of great players out there not being considered or seen and the game isn't growing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

That's def a good point. We are in UNCHARTERED territory. Yes, UA150, All America and the now defunct Nike120 were always around. Then came American Select, then Juniors, then BIC, and now all are going after middle school kids to sign up. The sport has jumped the shark. Don't forget about Apex events, Players Series, etc.

There's just no track record of how important or unimportant these things are, but one thing I can say, a select few are getting most of these. Even a top program like UNC cannot build an entire recruiting class around only those 5% of kids.

Most of the coaches and evaluators at events like the IL ID and others do very little evaluation. As PP has said, seems to be a clique of events all hanging out together and targeting a very small pool of players. The fomo around doing all of these showcase events with doing pre training like trainings, multiple best in class events, american select, all seem to be more and more money grabs and biased. Lots of great players out there not being considered or seen and the game isn't growing.

This is an interesting conclusion. There is certainly an insider circuit with the big clubs, and some are better at advocating for their players than others (see eg. Yellow Jackets satellite clubs placing a number of athletes at Best in Class and JO who don't play for highly ranked teams), where others in the top 20 are either not connected or supportive of the showcase circuit. There also seems to be a bit of a random or luck factor in terms of getting noticed at one of these events.

That said, I would submit that you do increase your player's chances of getting noticed by attending, and the film you obtain, or combine numbers you post, at a BIC or UA 150 aren't biased or insider-driven.

As for the game not growing, I disagree with the statement overall, and with the suggestion that these events are part the problem. There were dozens of players from outside of the traditional hotbeds at these events last year, including players from Florida, California, Colorado, and the Midwest at BIC and IL, and, if anything, Maryland was underrepresented despite it's connections. LI, NY, and Connecticut do appear to be a bit overrepresented, however.

[Anonymous]

For hundreds and hundreds of dollars, you get to go to a glorified camp and pickup games event. Remember, there were no coaches present. Also, a number of the committed 26's no-showed because they were already committed. The regional commits showed in better numbers.

The camp started late as there was a large gathering of players. Half had to go to a different field so the drills portion started late. Pretty good drills. Drills ended on time, and there was supposed to be a short break followed by a 30 minute team practice. The break went very long and practice was about 10 minutes and ended early. Game play seemed to be about the most selfish players playing hero ball and shooting after maybe a couple of passes. There were players who didn't touch the ball for entire halves. Coaching was sporadic and in a couple of cases, coaches wandered off during the game and some didn't stay for all 3 games. IL had some guys taking notes and some photogs making sure to get their IG click bait.

This was not a select event regardless what IL says. This was a fastest finger registration contest much like most of the other "showcases." There were some good players, some good selfish players, many selfish average players and some players who were clearly not as good. The poles seemed especially weak as a whole. Some will get written up because of their attendance, but remember IL charges you $$ (right on their site) if you want a writeup. Very, very few programs rely on IL for any kind of real talent evaluation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Most of the coaches and evaluators at events like the IL ID and others do very little evaluation. As PP has said, seems to be a clique of events all hanging out together and targeting a very small pool of players. The fomo around doing all of these showcase events with doing pre training like trainings, multiple best in class events, american select, all seem to be more and more money grabs and biased. Lots of great players out there not being considered or seen and the game isn't growing.

The game is growing in the sense that it's geographical footprint is growing, but it's still the same model - just for wealthy families in Florida, the midwest and on the west coast. Lacrosse continues to get more and more exclusive (see the "Lax is broken" thread).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For hundreds and hundreds of dollars, you get to go to a glorified camp and pickup games event. Remember, there were no coaches present. Also, a number of the committed 26's no-showed because they were already committed. The regional commits showed in better numbers.

The camp started late as there was a large gathering of players. Half had to go to a different field so the drills portion started late. Pretty good drills. Drills ended on time, and there was supposed to be a short break followed by a 30 minute team practice. The break went very long and practice was about 10 minutes and ended early. Game play seemed to be about the most selfish players playing hero ball and shooting after maybe a couple of passes. There were players who didn't touch the ball for entire halves. Coaching was sporadic and in a couple of cases, coaches wandered off during the game and some didn't stay for all 3 games. IL had some guys taking notes and some photogs making sure to get their IG click bait.

This was not a select event regardless what IL says. This was a fastest finger registration contest much like most of the other "showcases." There were some good players, some good selfish players, many selfish average players and some players who were clearly not as good. The poles seemed especially weak as a whole. Some will get written up because of their attendance, but remember IL charges you $$ (right on their site) if you want a writeup. Very, very few programs rely on IL for any kind of real talent evaluation.

IL Experience events are not “fastest fingers”-- it is INVITE only. I don't think you were really there because that's not what I saw at all. The point is you don't need to do any of these events to get recruited but they are fun for your player to do if you're invited. It's just a nice change from the club tourneys and getting to be around the other D1 commits or up-and-coming commits if you're a 2027.

[Anonymous]

Sorry mom, hate to burst your bubble. Fill out the form as soon as it’s posted, send it in with a reel and pay within 48 hours. It’s that easy. They hold a few spots for the reclass factories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry mom, hate to burst your bubble. Fill out the form as soon as it’s posted, send it in with a reel and pay within 48 hours. It’s that easy. They hold a few spots for the reclass factories.

Not true. They actually send you a code a registration code with the invitation so you can't just fill out some form as soon as it's posted. That's how it's done on the girls side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Most of the coaches and evaluators at events like the IL ID and others do very little evaluation. As PP has said, seems to be a clique of events all hanging out together and targeting a very small pool of players. The fomo around doing all of these showcase events with doing pre training like trainings, multiple best in class events, american select, all seem to be more and more money grabs and biased. Lots of great players out there not being considered or seen and the game isn't growing.

The game is growing in the sense that it's geographical footprint is growing, but it's still the same model - just for wealthy families in Florida, the midwest and on the west coast. Lacrosse continues to get more and more exclusive (see the "Lax is broken" thread).

I agree that this is problematic. Would be great for the sport to bring a broader swath of athletes in. I have raised this as a collective responsibility on DCUM pages before and recommended club outreach and scholarships and was virtually shouted down by elitists who benefit from the status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Most of the coaches and evaluators at events like the IL ID and others do very little evaluation. As PP has said, seems to be a clique of events all hanging out together and targeting a very small pool of players. The fomo around doing all of these showcase events with doing pre training like trainings, multiple best in class events, american select, all seem to be more and more money grabs and biased. Lots of great players out there not being considered or seen and the game isn't growing.

The game is growing in the sense that it's geographical footprint is growing, but it's still the same model - just for wealthy families in Florida, the midwest and on the west coast. Lacrosse continues to get more and more exclusive (see the "Lax is broken" thread).

I agree that this is problematic. Would be great for the sport to bring a broader swath of athletes in. I have raised this as a collective responsibility on DCUM pages before and recommended club outreach and scholarships and was virtually shouted down by elitists who benefit from the status quo.

Lacrosse is the ultimate "old boys network" whether its who was teammates with who, what elite club you are on, daddy ball, mommy ball, etc or just paying insane amounts of money to attend a "event" or get lessons with a "top former player". Grow the game, only if you bring your checkbook.

[Anonymous]

+1

[Anonymous]

And don't get me started on "Morgan's message" and mental health. Yet, all star tryouts, select teams, younger and younger, then the social media aspect so the world knows who made what

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

I think he is there to evaluate the talent for BIC. They do their own evaluations and try to select the best girls in the county. American Select draws a lot of talented girls. Watching those games allows him to see who the top girls are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be interested to know how many of the people with five stars and those receiving these write ups are also members of his first-class lacrosse training classes, camps, and clinics. There definitely seems to be a bias towards certain New York, New Jersey, Philly and California players because he used to work at USC so has some conenctions there too. Deemer seems to have his fingers in too many things..... Why was he at American Select? Next thing we know he'll be picking the teams for the USA lacrosse!

I think he is there to evaluate the talent for BIC. They do their own evaluations and try to select the best girls in the county. American Select draws a lot of talented girls. Watching those games allows him to see who the top girls are.

There were only 90 girls selected for this IL. He has nearly twice that for BIC, and vast majority were already in BIC. He's not evaluating for BIC.

AS does get talented girls, it also gets some that are not and more importantly, sends some really good players packing.

How many actual club games does DC attend to evaluate? These girls play 40 games a year, how many is he attending?