October Data Available

[Anonymous]

You said:

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.

Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

So this year Ludlow took 15 Kers & last year 15 Kers... The only real differences was last year there were 3 proximity preference and this year there weren't? (The siblings offered v attending thing is totally meaningless since there's no way to know what grade those siblings are in, etc.) I think I'm missing what you're saying is a big change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You said:

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.

Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

So this year Ludlow took 15 Kers & last year 15 Kers... The only real differences was last year there were 3 proximity preference and this year there weren't? (The siblings offered v attending thing is totally meaningless since there's no way to know what grade those siblings are in, etc.) I think I'm missing what you're saying is a big change?

I think what they are saying is: "I have an opinion. Any data I see I will immediately interpret to agree with whatever opinion or belief i have."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to track the Hill elementary school situation. A few things that stuck out to me:

Maury – K took 4 this year with Proxmity, 7 with no preference, 22 WL offers made by Oct. Last year it was 7 with Proximity and 2 with No preference with 1 WL offer made by Oct. It looks like across every grade there were significantly more WL offers by Oct.

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.
Prek3 had 11 WL offers and Prek4 had 10. Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

Peabody: prek3 this year only had 10 in boundary sibling matches on match day. 23 had 23, 22 had 33 and 21 had 21. This is a huge drop-off. Prek took no kids out of boundary in the previous 3 years and this year they took 17. They made 39 prek 4 WL offers by Oct. K matched 29 no preference kids this year, ten more than last year.

Brents numbers of prek3,4, and K were more consistent.

Questions this raises for me -
Where are the Hill kids? It seems like more kids with no preference are heading to the Hill schools. Is this Hill kids swapping schools or are Hill kids headed somewhere else? Are there fewer of them?

Did the Miner / Maury situation impact families choosing Maury opening spots for out of boundary kids?

Does this mean that more Ludlow kids are staying for 5th to go to SH (that's the word in the neighborhood)?

What is going on at Peabody? The numbers indicate that older siblings are not going to Watkins therefore there is fewer sibling preference kids at Peabody? - personally this is what we did so our younger one shows up in the "In boundary" bucket on match day because their older sibling is somewhere else.

I haven't had time yet to look at JO, Miner, Payne, Tyler, but curious what takeaways other have. I can't figure out if there's a general "inboundary kids going to inboundary schools with exception of Peabody/Watkins" story here or a "fewer Hill kids" story here or what.

My impression is that more families are staying on the Hill post elementary school. Thus, fewer young families are moving in, or just having babies/toddlers now. I'm sure the inbound enrollment will peak again soon. This is anecdotal among the Hill community.

+1
Over the past 2-3 years, lottering into Maury Prek has been a little easier w/out sibling preference compared to 2018-2021 years. I've assumed that the demographic is shifting to slightly older elementary aged kids and families just generally staying longer. I do wonder how much of an impact mortgage rates will continue to have on that over the coming years.

Separately, I believe that Maury added an additional Kindergarten class this year. That may have account for the increased number of lottery spots offered as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You said:

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.

Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

So this year Ludlow took 15 Kers & last year 15 Kers... The only real differences was last year there were 3 proximity preference and this year there weren't? (The siblings offered v attending thing is totally meaningless since there's no way to know what grade those siblings are in, etc.) I think I'm missing what you're saying is a big change?

I think what they are saying is: "I have an opinion. Any data I see I will immediately interpret to agree with whatever opinion or belief i have."

I made that post. You clearly didn’t read it- my question on Ludlow was asking if kids are staying for 5th because Stuart Hobson is more of a draw. Love how you read a few lines, didn’t read the questions and then accused me of misinterpreting data. You’re a real treat.

[Anonymous]

That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

I don't see how you could take this away from the waitlist data. Here's what it actually shows.

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for EH:
SY21-22: 31 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 40 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 43 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 67 (12 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for SH:
SY21-22: 102 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 77 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 95 (40 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 121 (73 students left on waitlist by Oct)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You said:

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.

Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

So this year Ludlow took 15 Kers & last year 15 Kers... The only real differences was last year there were 3 proximity preference and this year there weren't? (The siblings offered v attending thing is totally meaningless since there's no way to know what grade those siblings are in, etc.) I think I'm missing what you're saying is a big change?

I think what they are saying is: "I have an opinion. Any data I see I will immediately interpret to agree with whatever opinion or belief i have."

I made that post. You clearly didn’t read it- my question on Ludlow was asking if kids are staying for 5th because Stuart Hobson is more of a draw. Love how you read a few lines, didn’t read the questions and then accused me of misinterpreting data. You’re a real treat.

I am the poster who asked the bolded question above, but not the reply. I was serious. I get what you're asking about 5th (yes, overall more kids are heading to SH... but the 5th grade change this year was because last year was an anomalous year where they opened a 3rd 5th grade classroom; nothing else). But... what did that question have to do with the K stats you went into detail on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

This is clearly untrue. This was the very first year that EH had kids left on the WL for 6th (at least in recent memory). Is it getting more popular? Clearly. But is it as popular now as a school with twice as long an initial match+WL and 6x as many kids left on the WL in October? Obviously not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
...

Where are the Hill kids? It seems like more kids with no preference are heading to the Hill schools. Is this Hill kids swapping schools or are Hill kids headed somewhere else? Are there fewer of them?

...

Looking at the SY22-23 and SY23-24 School Enrollments per DCPS Boundary data, the three Eastern feeders (EH, Jefferson, SH) went from:

Students living IB: 1354 to 1507
Students attending IB: 425 (31%) to 511 (34%)
Students attending other Eastern feeder: 76 (6%) to 79 (5%)
Students attending BASIS or Latins: 259 (19%) to 305 (20%)*

Students living IB up 11%, attending IB up 20%, attending other Eastern feeder up 4%, attending BASIS or Latins up 18%.

*SY22-23 likely missing some Latin Cooper #s due to n<10

All schools saw similar jump in students living IB (EH 13%, Jefferson 9%, SH 12%) but EH saw the biggest jump in students attending IB (EH 33%, Jefferson 17%, SH 11%) and the smallest jump in students attending BASIS and Latins (EH 12%, Jefferson 21%, SH 19%).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

I don't see how you could take this away from the waitlist data. Here's what it actually shows.

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for EH:
SY21-22: 31 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 40 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 43 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 67 (12 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for SH:
SY21-22: 102 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 77 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 95 (40 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 121 (73 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Where do you see the number of students left on WL in October? Is that from the link at the start of this thread or somewhere else? I only see WL length on results day, which is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

I don't see how you could take this away from the waitlist data. Here's what it actually shows.

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for EH:
SY21-22: 31 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 40 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 43 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 67 (12 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for SH:
SY21-22: 102 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 77 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 95 (40 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 121 (73 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Where do you see the number of students left on WL in October? Is that from the link at the start of this thread or somewhere else? I only see WL length on results day, which is different.

Students left on waitlist by October = waitlist length on results day minus total waitlist offers made by October

Number isn't 100% perfect because students can add/drop themselves to/from a waitlist after results day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

I don't see how you could take this away from the waitlist data. Here's what it actually shows.

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for EH:
SY21-22: 31 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 40 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 43 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 67 (12 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for SH:
SY21-22: 102 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 77 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 95 (40 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 121 (73 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Where do you see the number of students left on WL in October? Is that from the link at the start of this thread or somewhere else? I only see WL length on results day, which is different.

Students left on waitlist by October = waitlist length on results day minus total waitlist offers made by October

Number isn't 100% perfect because students can add/drop themselves to/from a waitlist after results day.

Yeah, I think it’s hard to say how valid that extrapolation is. There’s a lot of waitlist movement between the spring and October, so the current waitlist could be much shorter (or longer, at least theoretically).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a complicated question. There were some years right before the pandemic where SH took nearly no one in the 6th grade lottery/waitlist. Watkins has a large OOB population that has long been pretty dedicated to attending the middle school. EH has become almost as popular as SH.

I don't see how you could take this away from the waitlist data. Here's what it actually shows.

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for EH:
SY21-22: 31 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 40 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 43 (0 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 67 (12 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Matches + waitlist for 6th on results day for SH:
SY21-22: 102 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY22-23: 77 (11 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY23-24: 95 (40 students left on waitlist by Oct)
SY24-25: 121 (73 students left on waitlist by Oct)

Where do you see the number of students left on WL in October? Is that from the link at the start of this thread or somewhere else? I only see WL length on results day, which is different.

Students left on waitlist by October = waitlist length on results day minus total waitlist offers made by October

Number isn't 100% perfect because students can add/drop themselves to/from a waitlist after results day.

Yeah, I think it’s hard to say how valid that extrapolation is. There’s a lot of waitlist movement between the spring and October, so the current waitlist could be much shorter (or longer, at least theoretically).

Unless you have a reason to think there are significant differences in how people order schools, either across schools or across school years, it's still useful as a relative point of comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You said:

Ludlow – K took 2 this year with sibling offered, and 13 with no preference, 6 WL offers by Oct.

Last year, K took 2 sibling attending 1 sibling offered, 3 proximity and 9 no preference. 5 grade had only 5 lottery seats and made 7 WL offers by October.

So this year Ludlow took 15 Kers & last year 15 Kers... The only real differences was last year there were 3 proximity preference and this year there weren't? (The siblings offered v attending thing is totally meaningless since there's no way to know what grade those siblings are in, etc.) I think I'm missing what you're saying is a big change?

I think what they are saying is: "I have an opinion. Any data I see I will immediately interpret to agree with whatever opinion or belief i have."

I made that post. You clearly didn’t read it- my question on Ludlow was asking if kids are staying for 5th because Stuart Hobson is more of a draw. Love how you read a few lines, didn’t read the questions and then accused me of misinterpreting data. You’re a real treat.

I am the poster who asked the bolded question above, but not the reply. I was serious. I get what you're asking about 5th (yes, overall more kids are heading to SH... but the 5th grade change this year was because last year was an anomalous year where they opened a 3rd 5th grade classroom; nothing else). But... what did that question have to do with the K stats you went into detail on?

I am the poster who explained that PPP had an opinion in search of data. Allow e to answer this one for them too!

"The K stats I quoted had nothing to do with the 5th grade or SH. What happened was, I misinterpreted data in an attempt to confirm my opinion and when I was called out for it, I pivoted and pretended like that wasn't at all what I did. It makes sense if you think about it; people like me who manipulate and misinterpret data to support my beliefs also engage in revisionist history, even when the words I wrote are readily available."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like DCI made a lot of offers for Chinese.

Really small class coming out of Yu Ying

Seems like the shine on YY has faded.