DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:The main problem with traffic on Georgia Avenue is the astounding number of people who double park. That's what makes traffic bad and forces drivers to constantly change lanes. It would be simpler/cheaper/easier to just have the police ticket everyone who double parks until drivers get the message. Traffic would move better for buses and cars alike.

Yes, but DDOT has lots of money to spend and is full of young ideologues so doing simple things like asking the police to enforce existing laws is SO BORING.

It would actually be parking enforcement who would ticket double parked cars.

But the police would need to be called in for the resulting tow, to keep traffic moving, no? Not to mention to protect the parking enforcement group from the double-parkers, who, though they leave their cars there, blocking others, are often in proximity and would far more likely create a confrontation with those issuing tickets without the assumed greater authority (backed up by physical consequences) of uniformed police.

The police are not called for a tow in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

[Anonymous]

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2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

The 70/79 bus going through Georgia Avenue is literally the busiest bus route in the system…

A low bar, indeed. Is that like being the smartest member of Congress?

You don’t really care about the effects of this decision on the neighborhood—look at how readily you lie and then lash out when your lie is challenged. You only care that this decision might slightly inconvenience you personally. What an arrogant, selfish way of thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The main problem with traffic on Georgia Avenue is the astounding number of people who double park. That's what makes traffic bad and forces drivers to constantly change lanes. It would be simpler/cheaper/easier to just have the police ticket everyone who double parks until drivers get the message. Traffic would move better for buses and cars alike.

Yes, but DDOT has lots of money to spend and is full of young ideologues so doing simple things like asking the police to enforce existing laws is SO BORING.

It would actually be parking enforcement who would ticket double parked cars.

But the police would need to be called in for the resulting tow, to keep traffic moving, no? Not to mention to protect the parking enforcement group from the double-parkers, who, though they leave their cars there, blocking others, are often in proximity and would far more likely create a confrontation with those issuing tickets without the assumed greater authority (backed up by physical consequences) of uniformed police.

oh yes enforcing laws is so, so hard! how could we ever do it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

What growth? The population is stagnant, and the number of people riding the bus is a small fraction of what it used to be, one reason why the city is cutting back on bus service.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

What growth? The population is stagnant, and the number of people riding the bus is a small fraction of what it used to be, one reason why the city is cutting back on bus service.

Tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. DC has grown 20% since 2000.

[Anonymous]

2023 Census Data Highlights Continued Population Growth in Washington, DC

https://mayor.dc.gov/release/2023-census-data-highlights-continued-population-growth-washington-dc

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D.C. population growth outpaces Beltway suburbs
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2024/03/25/population-growth-beltway

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

What growth? The population is stagnant, and the number of people riding the bus is a small fraction of what it used to be, one reason why the city is cutting back on bus service.

Tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. DC has grown 20% since 2000.

DC is also 20 percent smaller than it was in 1950. So what? The most recent, relevant trend is that the population has stopped growing since the pandemic. The rapid growth DC saw in the early 2000s, during the Williams/Fenty years, is long gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

What growth? The population is stagnant, and the number of people riding the bus is a small fraction of what it used to be, one reason why the city is cutting back on bus service.

Tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. DC has grown 20% since 2000.

DC is also 20 percent smaller than it was in 1950. So what? The most recent, relevant trend is that the population has stopped growing since the pandemic. The rapid growth DC saw in the early 2000s, during the Williams/Fenty years, is long gone.

So, population change since 1950 matters but since 2020 doesn't? That seems really backwards and illogical to me. So what indeed.

[Anonymous]

The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

Oh, glad to hear this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

One more lane of cars commutting through DC; that will solve it. DC is not (and should not) widen roads.

The area's population is growing. Even if fully devoted to cars and their drivers, the local road system will eventually be at capacity with no room for growth. Devoting lanes to transit is the only longterm solution to handle surface travel through these corridors. Adoption of dedicated bus lanes has resulted in an increased adoption of bus ridership and a reduction in travel time for bus riders.

Uh, DC is actually a lot smaller than it used to be. Currently we have about 670,000 people. In the 1970s, we had more than 750,000 people. In the 1950s, we had more than 800,000. DC's population has shrunk pretty dramatically from when I was a kid.

The region in general has grown though. To pretend that Georgia Avenue and NH and Connecticut are not commuting routes is silly.

Same poster adding on to say that DC proper's population has also grown around 20% since 2000 which is relevant.

In 2000 it sat at 572,000 whereas in 2020 it was at around 689,000

It's also shrunk since 2020. Seems misleading to claim there's no room at the inn, when DC is substantially smaller than it used to be and in recent years has stopped growing altogether. In 2020, we had 689,000. In 2021, we had 669,000. In 2022, we had 670,000. In 2023, we had 678,000.

No one is saying the city is at capacity, but to ignore its recent growth is silly.

What growth? The population is stagnant, and the number of people riding the bus is a small fraction of what it used to be, one reason why the city is cutting back on bus service.

Tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me you haven't read the thread. DC has grown 20% since 2000.

DC is also 20 percent smaller than it was in 1950. So what? The most recent, relevant trend is that the population has stopped growing since the pandemic. The rapid growth DC saw in the early 2000s, during the Williams/Fenty years, is long gone.

So, population change since 1950 matters but since 2020 doesn't? That seems really backwards and illogical to me. So what indeed.

Are you really this stupid? There are periods in DC's history when the population was growing, and there were periods when the population was shrinking. The period we're in right now is that the population is doing neither. It's not growing. It's not shrinking. It's varied very little each year since the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

Can you recommend to this non-biker the best bike rack for my car that will block my license plate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

Can you recommend to this non-biker the best bike rack for my car that will block my license plate?

Drivers like you make me want to carry a knife and slash some tires.