MM Is Dead

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same people objecting to MM are the people complaining that there aren't enough workers to support their quality of life.

Who is going to commute two hours or more to make your Panera sandwich?

yep. and teachers and nurses and long waits in the ER …

How cute. Not one of those people could afford the $1.2 million dollar MM condos. That’s one of the reasons people are so mad because Arlington County and NIMBYs lied. It’s not housing for any of these people - it’s too expensive. It’s not for middle class people. That’s why they changed the name from Missing Middle to Expanded Housing Options - because even Arlington County had to admit that it was disingenuous and not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-singlefamily-zoning-in-arlington

Some random civil servant complaining about something she likely didn’t fully understand.

Also how is anyone getting “rich off your back”? Did they steal something from you?

Developers are taking the existing somewhat run down housing that many lower income people would like to buy, and bidding it up, so that they can repackage and sell it at a higher price, even though those units are exactly the size and (until bid up) affordability that is in demand. But no, they need to make their bucks, so they are effectively stealing the same housing units that they are supposed to be providing, and then making them not affordable. How is this solving the problem?

It's commerce and capitalism, but they're effectively stealing the units from the people who actually need them, in the guise of providing arlington with something it needs, when they are doing the opposite.

Lol that’s quite the story. And who knew you were such a socialist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

How do NIMBYs disrupt infrastructure? I truly want to know. With real examples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

Judge David Schell, born in 1949. Of course it's some ancient boomer on the bench who is over-turning a ruling to try to right the wrongs of the suburban 1-unit dwelling development boom that's been occurring for his entire life and has resulted in housing unaffordability throughout the country, despite the recent election where this was a stark defining point between the two candidates and where the pro-reform candidate won 52% to 43% versus the anti-reform candidate.

Birth control and immigration control is the only way to lower housing costs. Building more housing just makes more people want to move in.

Look at NYC. Incredibly dense and incredibly expensive.

Rents are actually not that different in parts of NYC plus you don’t need a car. And most people move to NYC because of the quality of the job opportunities and culture, which are created by density.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

How do NIMBYs disrupt infrastructure? I truly want to know. With real examples.

You want to know so you can say "well actually stupid person...".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

How do NIMBYs disrupt infrastructure? I truly want to know. With real examples.

https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP311.pdf

https://ases.org/nimby/

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2021-4-fall/feature/nimby-threat-renewable-energy?amp

https://www.pedbikeinfo.org/cms/downloads/OTH.OvercomingOppositiontoSidewalkConstruction.pdf

https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2021/11/02/neighbors-sign-petition-opposing-planned-vienna-sidewalk-project/

and my personal favorite! NIMBYs against preschools.

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/ne-neighbors-for-responsible-890379994

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

How do NIMBYs disrupt infrastructure? I truly want to know. With real examples.

https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP311.pdf

https://ases.org/nimby/

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2021-4-fall/feature/nimby-threat-renewable-energy?amp

https://www.pedbikeinfo.org/cms/downloads/OTH.OvercomingOppositiontoSidewalkConstruction.pdf

https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2021/11/02/neighbors-sign-petition-opposing-planned-vienna-sidewalk-project/

and my personal favorite! NIMBYs against preschools.

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/ne-neighbors-for-responsible-890379994

Oh and here’s a gem - one single pennyante town holding up the improvement of rail transit for an entire region: https://ggwash.org/view/amp/65535

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

[Anonymous]

Sanity - 1, YIMBYs - 0. Still early in the game but good to see the court step in with a wise decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

But then the YIYBYs argue that D.C. and Arlington should be as dense as Tokyo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

But then the YIYBYs argue that D.C. and Arlington should be as dense as Tokyo.

I’ve never heard anyone say that. The citation to Tokyo is about their much faster/cheaper modular construction, which means rents are much lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in McLean very close to Arlington border and I am thrilled for my neighbors. This was a poorly rolled out disaster and it deserved to be kicked out.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.