Comparing LACs

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a WASP student here. Not really. If you look at the overall averages, the WASP schools will have marginally higher stats. (Emphasis on "marginally.") But the vast majority of kids in the top non-WASP LACs would thrive at the WASP schools; and the WASP kids would still be challenged at other top LACs. My guess is that the top 50-75% of students at the top non-WASP are virtually indistinguishable from their WASP counterparts.

The best place to test this would be the Claremont Colleges. I'm guessing that Pomona students don't notice any "caliber" difference in their counterparts at CMC and Mudd, although I'm sure there are cultural differences.

Pomona students definitely do not take CMC anywhere as seriously as HMC. Being decent at Econ isn’t the same as the rigor of a STEM degree

Of course, Pomona students are highly varied and I'm so sure some snobs exist, but this hasn't been my DC's impression or experience. DC has classes with several 5C students and has reported that there are no obvious academic or intelligence differences. Per DC, one of the more refreshing aspects of Pomona is the lack of competition or tryhards. There's a general awareness that everyone is smart and accomplished, but kids don't seem to be walking around intellectually sizing one another up or bragging about themselves.

This is surprising. On our tour, a Pomona student laughed at scripps and pitzer and said that’s where students go for gpa boosts.

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Trying to post link again; if the first doesn’t work the second below might.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/sites/IRDataandReports/Shared%20Documents/Forms/AllItems.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:WASP gets more Ivy rejects than the rest, which makes the school environments there somewhat more intense.

Also true: WASP has a high proportion of kids who were admitted to Ivies and Ivy+'s but chose fit over brand. My DC being one example.

wes over ivy here

What a dumb decision.

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Trying to post link again; if the first doesn’t work the second below might.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/sites/IRDataandReports/Shared%20Documents/Forms/AllItems.aspx

Oh well, sorry. You’ll have to navigate from here for it:

https://www.wesleyan.edu/ir/common-data-sets.html

[Anonymous]

I dont understand how we can compare SATs anymore when so many kids dont' take them. Esp California kids

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

As explained earlier in the thread, for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.

[Anonymous]

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

As explained earlier in the thread, for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.

Where do they say that? The CDS itself just says 52% submitted scores. Would be very odd not to say 100% if everyone was required to submit and the numbers shared were for the entire class. It’s seems the more straightforward (and typical) interpretation is the CDS is for matriculating students while the admitted student profile was for accepted students who may or may not attend.

Fwiw, for that same year (23-24) they had 19% reporting ACT scores with a composite range of 31-34.

[Anonymous]

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

As explained earlier in the thread, for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.

Where do they say that? The CDS itself just says 52% submitted scores. Would be very odd not to say 100% if everyone was required to submit and the numbers shared were for the entire class. It’s seems the more straightforward (and typical) interpretation is the CDS is for matriculating students while the admitted student profile was for accepted students who may or may not attend.

Fwiw, for that same year (23-24) they had 19% reporting ACT scores with a composite range of 31-34.

The profile has information for admitted (top of the page) and enrolled (table on the second half of the page) students. The enrolled student numbers on the profile are higher than the numbers on the CDS. It’s currently showing class of 2028, so you can’t compare with current CDS numbers, but the class of 2027 numbers on the profile were nearly identical.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a WASP student here. Not really. If you look at the overall averages, the WASP schools will have marginally higher stats. (Emphasis on "marginally.") But the vast majority of kids in the top non-WASP LACs would thrive at the WASP schools; and the WASP kids would still be challenged at other top LACs. My guess is that the top 50-75% of students at the top non-WASP are virtually indistinguishable from their WASP counterparts.

The best place to test this would be the Claremont Colleges. I'm guessing that Pomona students don't notice any "caliber" difference in their counterparts at CMC and Mudd, although I'm sure there are cultural differences.

+1 and even going down a tier in the LACs I think the only difference really is a greater SES diversity. There are plenty of smart kids who want the LAC experience who can't afford the highly ranked LACs but will choose to go down the rankings for merit $ vs. going to their big state U.

This describes my DD. What schools do you think fit this criteria best? Also looking at W&M but not excited about UVA, VT or JMU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a WASP student here. Not really. If you look at the overall averages, the WASP schools will have marginally higher stats. (Emphasis on "marginally.") But the vast majority of kids in the top non-WASP LACs would thrive at the WASP schools; and the WASP kids would still be challenged at other top LACs. My guess is that the top 50-75% of students at the top non-WASP are virtually indistinguishable from their WASP counterparts.

The best place to test this would be the Claremont Colleges. I'm guessing that Pomona students don't notice any "caliber" difference in their counterparts at CMC and Mudd, although I'm sure there are cultural differences.

+1 and even going down a tier in the LACs I think the only difference really is a greater SES diversity. There are plenty of smart kids who want the LAC experience who can't afford the highly ranked LACs but will choose to go down the rankings for merit $ vs. going to their big state U.

This describes my DD. What schools do you think fit this criteria best? Also looking at W&M but not excited about UVA, VT or JMU.

Since you're apparently instate for Virginia, have you looked at Mary Washington? We visited (as Marylanders) a few years ago and really liked it, though DD did not end up applying. It has a LAC feel and would be very inexpensive, relatively speaking, for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a WASP student here. Not really. If you look at the overall averages, the WASP schools will have marginally higher stats. (Emphasis on "marginally.") But the vast majority of kids in the top non-WASP LACs would thrive at the WASP schools; and the WASP kids would still be challenged at other top LACs. My guess is that the top 50-75% of students at the top non-WASP are virtually indistinguishable from their WASP counterparts.

The best place to test this would be the Claremont Colleges. I'm guessing that Pomona students don't notice any "caliber" difference in their counterparts at CMC and Mudd, although I'm sure there are cultural differences.

+1 and even going down a tier in the LACs I think the only difference really is a greater SES diversity. There are plenty of smart kids who want the LAC experience who can't afford the highly ranked LACs but will choose to go down the rankings for merit $ vs. going to their big state U.

This describes my DD. What schools do you think fit this criteria best? Also looking at W&M but not excited about UVA, VT or JMU.

Since you're apparently instate for Virginia, have you looked at Mary Washington? We visited (as Marylanders) a few years ago and really liked it, though DD did not end up applying. It has a LAC feel and would be very inexpensive, relatively speaking, for you.

It’s a huge step down in selectivity. The 75% SAT is 200 points lower. It’s also 64% female.

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

As explained earlier in the thread, for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.

How does a school know the scores that weren't submitted?

[Anonymous]

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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me.

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

Again, differences not substantial.

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar.

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34

Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and

As explained earlier in the thread, for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.

How does a school know the scores that weren't submitted?

DP here. I think they are still released as an anonymized data set but I could be mistaken.