Second home in Colorado, how hard to qualify for in state tuition?

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

Yes and the student would be working + living in Telluride in the summer, including prior to freshman year. Paying taxes as a member of the community. I left home for college and never returned to my hometown even for a year. I married and started a family here. As others mentioned, we will apply and let the university decide.

This is what happens if you don’t tell the full truth when you apply-
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/father-lies-about-residency-to-obtain-in-state-tuition-faces-felony-charges/article_e64dd228-4518-11e5-9daf-2f4d119925d7.html

This is not at all the situation. He was claiming two states of residency for two children to obtain in state tuition. We actually do own two homes, neither purchased with the intent of in state tuition, as I mentioned we have owned a decade there and live between two states with one child. Child does not plan to return to home after. We plan to retire in Colorado as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

You surely realize it's not about what you care about. The university decides.

Actually, it does matter what actual residents of Colorado think. They elect people who make the laws OP will need to get around to make this work. They have said they don’t like it.

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

You’re reaching, big time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

Yes and the student would be working + living in Telluride in the summer, including prior to freshman year. Paying taxes as a member of the community. I left home for college and never returned to my hometown even for a year. I married and started a family here. As others mentioned, we will apply and let the university decide.

This is what happens if you don’t tell the full truth when you apply-
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/father-lies-about-residency-to-obtain-in-state-tuition-faces-felony-charges/article_e64dd228-4518-11e5-9daf-2f4d119925d7.html

This is not at all the situation. He was claiming two states of residency for two children to obtain in state tuition. We actually do own two homes, neither purchased with the intent of in state tuition, as I mentioned we have owned a decade there and live between two states with one child. Child does not plan to return to home after. We plan to retire in Colorado as well.

You have obviously made up your mind. Good luck, but you’re playing with fire.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

Yes and the student would be working + living in Telluride in the summer, including prior to freshman year. Paying taxes as a member of the community. I left home for college and never returned to my hometown even for a year. I married and started a family here. As others mentioned, we will apply and let the university decide.

This is what happens if you don’t tell the full truth when you apply-
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/father-lies-about-residency-to-obtain-in-state-tuition-faces-felony-charges/article_e64dd228-4518-11e5-9daf-2f4d119925d7.html

This is not at all the situation. He was claiming two states of residency for two children to obtain in state tuition. We actually do own two homes, neither purchased with the intent of in state tuition, as I mentioned we have owned a decade there and live between two states with one child. Child does not plan to return to home after. We plan to retire in Colorado as well.

You have obviously made up your mind. Good luck, but you’re playing with fire.

I think you’re overthinking this. Some brought up going to jail for a felony? This is a college residency team reviewing applications every day and making a decision based on various factors like where the applicant has worked, home ownership, etc. They decide yes or no based on the facts information provided.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

You surely realize it's not about what you care about. The university decides.

Actually, it does matter what actual residents of Colorado think. They elect people who make the laws OP will need to get around to make this work. They have said they don’t like it.

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

You’re reaching, big time.

Reaching? How? That’s the law, right?

[Anonymous]

You are clearly not domiciled there now. It’s not really clear to me if you are asking can you lie about your domicile or of you change your domicile now can you get in state.

Sounds it’s the first one which is basically a version of cheating on your taxes— are the kind of person who wants to do that and is just asking what the chances of getting away with it are?

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you can afford a second home yet you are not willing to pay the out of state tuition. Typical a%&hole trying to beat the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

Yes and the student would be working + living in Telluride in the summer, including prior to freshman year. Paying taxes as a member of the community. I left home for college and never returned to my hometown even for a year. I married and started a family here. As others mentioned, we will apply and let the university decide.

This is what happens if you don’t tell the full truth when you apply-
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/father-lies-about-residency-to-obtain-in-state-tuition-faces-felony-charges/article_e64dd228-4518-11e5-9daf-2f4d119925d7.html

This is not at all the situation. He was claiming two states of residency for two children to obtain in state tuition. We actually do own two homes, neither purchased with the intent of in state tuition, as I mentioned we have owned a decade there and live between two states with one child. Child does not plan to return to home after. We plan to retire in Colorado as well.

You have obviously made up your mind. Good luck, but you’re playing with fire.

I think you’re overthinking this. Some brought up going to jail for a felony? This is a college residency team reviewing applications every day and making a decision based on various factors like where the applicant has worked, home ownership, etc. They decide yes or no based on the facts information provided.

Ever heard of fraud?

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

Despite what many DCUMers believe (this comes up in the context of DCPS residency) “domicile” for the purposes of getting benefits is not generally something you can do just by buying a house in the location.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you live in CO over 50% of the time and pay state income taxes there? Where are you registered to vote and what state issued the license plates on your car? If CO is not the answer to all of the above, you won't qualify.

Even the second year? I read that the student can apply themselves the second year and establish residency through voting, address and license plate, after living themselves 12 months with the intent to "stay" as a resident.
Our second house is in Telluride. Paying property taxes for 10+ years.

Did you read the rules at the above link?

I did. We do plan to live there most of the year when our kids go to college and would be retired so perhaps it's an option for us. I think our situation is a little different under consideration because we actually owned a home for over a decade prior to the kid attending. I am asking to see if there are people in the same situation who have tried and what the outcome has been.

that has nothing to do with a residency requirement

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

no, it does not. Speaking as a long-time Colorado taxpayer, we really don't care about you owning a vacation home in Telluride that would be much better used by an actual member of the community.

Yes and the student would be working + living in Telluride in the summer, including prior to freshman year. Paying taxes as a member of the community. I left home for college and never returned to my hometown even for a year. I married and started a family here. As others mentioned, we will apply and let the university decide.

This is what happens if you don’t tell the full truth when you apply-
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/father-lies-about-residency-to-obtain-in-state-tuition-faces-felony-charges/article_e64dd228-4518-11e5-9daf-2f4d119925d7.html

This is not at all the situation. He was claiming two states of residency for two children to obtain in state tuition. We actually do own two homes, neither purchased with the intent of in state tuition, as I mentioned we have owned a decade there and live between two states with one child. Child does not plan to return to home after. We plan to retire in Colorado as well.

You have obviously made up your mind. Good luck, but you’re playing with fire.

I think you’re overthinking this. Some brought up going to jail for a felony? This is a college residency team reviewing applications every day and making a decision based on various factors like where the applicant has worked, home ownership, etc. They decide yes or no based on the facts information provided.

No one is likely to go the jail. The college will decide based on current resident status (where applicant or parent who claims the applicant as a dependent pays state income tax), where the applicant went to high school, etc. Tip: don’t say the kid is not planning to return home after college when you are trying to pretend that Colorado is home.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

No it’s not actually different. Your domicile is where you live now not Colorado. Owning a vacation home doesn’t buy you in state tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

You’ll probably want to move before attending:

No person may establish domicile in Colorado solely for the purpose of changing a student's classification for tuition purposes from nonresident to resident.

Absent clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, it is presumed that a student classified as a nonresident at the time of matriculation who seeks to establish Colorado domicile while registered at CU seeks Colorado domicile solely for tuition purposes, which is an unlawful purpose [Colorado Revised Statutes § 23-7-101-103(2)(e)].

I see your point but it's case by case and I think owning a home for over a decade in the state holds quite a bit of weight. It's a lot different situation than just living in the dorm and then renting and trying to claim your rental residence as your primary home.

No it’s not actually different. Your domicile is where you live now not Colorado. Owning a vacation home doesn’t buy you in state tuition.

We are retired and plan to live half the year there. Tuition would be applied for after the first year. We always have planned to retire there, that’s why we have owned the home there for 10 years. House was not purchased with intent for in state tuition. We are not employed in current state. Child just decided to attend college there and chances they will stay there after is greater than any chance of returning to home stars. We will live in this state more than our current one. It’s not a black or white situation and it’s not fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

Change where you file your income tax. Retaining your former home may mean not severing ties to your old state. Presumably you would need to switch driver license and car registrations.

If you are doing it anyway, it can't hurt to try, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Plus that's a lot of time to spend living in a mountain town. It's not exactly easy to get to a city from there, unlike, say, Breck.

We already spend about 10 weeks a year there and that's what we love about it. I would have no issue living there year round.

But, you don’t live there year round.
You wanted to remain in one state for certain advantages.
Now, you want to live in another state for certain advantages.
You have to commit and contribute to the state to earn the advantages.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like it's not worth the trouble for the cost, for someone who has a second home in Telluride.

If you don't sever ties with your current state, that may be an issue. Would you sell your current home?

No we wouldn't. I guess I just don't see the big drawback, if we are retired at this point, to changing our primary residence and we would already be living about half the year in each state. Since we have owned the home for so long, a lot of the proof of domicile is already available (proof of address, utilities).

Change where you file your income tax. Retaining your former home may mean not severing ties to your old state. Presumably you would need to switch driver license and car registrations.

If you are doing it anyway, it can't hurt to try, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Plus that's a lot of time to spend living in a mountain town. It's not exactly easy to get to a city from there, unlike, say, Breck.

We already spend about 10 weeks a year there and that's what we love about it. I would have no issue living there year round.

But, you don’t live there year round.
You wanted to remain in one state for certain advantages.
Now, you want to live in another state for certain advantages.
You have to commit and contribute to the state to earn the advantages.

Yes. And that is what we would be doing, making a decision on which state to commit to because we live between two and will be spending more time in Telluride after our child is out of high school. We have no advantage to stay in our current state. We do not work anymore and our only child will not live there.