virtual instruction for compacted math?

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Anonymous wrote:They need to terminate the class given they claim virtual is so bad for kids.

Fortunately this is separate from the horrendous experiment with virtual learning that MCPS tried with the MVA, which is the failed program you’re referring to.

It was a great program you know nothing about. Clearly it worked if they are offering this.

Regardless, it's gone. Turn your attention to the state if you want a special school program to keep your kids stuck at home.

You are so clueless. The state does not provide educational services, just oversite. You want MCPS money to be taken and given to MCPS to pay for it?

That's a strange justification to use when MCPS now doesn't provide virtual classes either.

And besides that, it's wrong. MSDE has been administering virtual programs longer than MCPS, and could certainly expand their offerings if there was funding and demand. It's already part of their legal authorities under state law.

They don’t administer any classes.

MSDE administers the program that offers classes. That's almost certainly what they would do for a statewide program offering live instruction.

Can you show us the program? Administering and running are two different things. MCPS would have to pay for those funds. Are you ok with MCPS paying for it? How much would that cost MCPS? Most virtual is done privately through companies like Pearson and K-12. Its fine to outsource but that's a big chunk of MCPS funding and what is more cost efficient?

This is old, but the program is ongoing:
https://www.marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/06202018/TabO-OnlineLearningPolicies.pdf

Did you read or understand what you posted? They oversee and approve private companies who are providing online and homeschooling classes. That has nothing to do with the state or MCPS providing virtual school for students. Those are just approved classes if parents choose them and pay for them for their students with a curriculum where credits can transfer. They are not providing or paying for those classes. They are not running any classes directly. It would be great if they did.

That's how most states run their virtual programs.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Some counties run theirs directly and some pay for a program. It has nothing to do with the state. The state just accredits the program. That’s fine, so by your argument mcps should pay for a private program for kids. How much will that cost?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting to me is the disparity between divisions concerning class enrollment issues. I know several 8th graders at our MS that will get busses 2 at a time from their home HS after taking a Spanish 3 class to their MS. Because we are in a consortium, they are paying for multiple busses coming from multiple high schools instead of bussing them all from one school.

MCPS can’t have 5th graders ride the regular MS bus to take math first period and then ride a bus back to their ES in time for the start of the ES day? On the flip side, why not have these MA students receive virtual instruction under the babysitting of a para?

We were told no and our hs doesn’t have a class needed for graduation requirement. We even offered to drive and were told no.

Told no by the school admin or someone in Central Office? This is exactly why MCPS is known for cronyism and principals acting like they are the ruler of their tiny kingdoms and can do whatever they want without consequence.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it sad that there are schools that don't have a cohort? 2 makes a cohort, MCPS. Offer it in person.

To offer it in person, you need an available teacher and a classroom.

If that instruction is happening during the school day, by definition there is an available teacher and a classroom monitoring the students.

Uh, that doesn't mean there's an available teacher *at that school* (not defending this, just pointing it out).

Yes, at that school. You missed the important point that a teacher is in a classroom in person monitoring the students. The issue isn't that there aren't teachers and classrooms. The issue it what & how the teacher is instructing students and whether or not all of them are working on the same thing.

I have observed very successful classes in 1st -3rd grade with different reading groups where the 90 minute block was well structured with rotations that included 30 minutes of direct instruction with the teacher. I don't see why math instruction cannot be managed similarly in 4th and 5th grades to allow students to move at their own pace.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting to me is the disparity between divisions concerning class enrollment issues. I know several 8th graders at our MS that will get busses 2 at a time from their home HS after taking a Spanish 3 class to their MS. Because we are in a consortium, they are paying for multiple busses coming from multiple high schools instead of bussing them all from one school.

MCPS can’t have 5th graders ride the regular MS bus to take math first period and then ride a bus back to their ES in time for the start of the ES day? On the flip side, why not have these MA students receive virtual instruction under the babysitting of a para?

10 years ago they did this at Parkland MS. 5th graders from several of the feeder elementaries were bussed to Parkland MS for compacted 5/6. Don't know if they still do this. My own kid was bussed from Clearspring MS to Baker to take AIM.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it sad that there are schools that don't have a cohort? 2 makes a cohort, MCPS. Offer it in person.

To offer it in person, you need an available teacher and a classroom.

If that instruction is happening during the school day, by definition there is an available teacher and a classroom monitoring the students.

Uh, that doesn't mean there's an available teacher *at that school* (not defending this, just pointing it out).

Yes, at that school. You missed the important point that a teacher is in a classroom in person monitoring the students. The issue isn't that there aren't teachers and classrooms. The issue it what & how the teacher is instructing students and whether or not all of them are working on the same thing.

I have observed very successful classes in 1st -3rd grade with different reading groups where the 90 minute block was well structured with rotations that included 30 minutes of direct instruction with the teacher. I don't see why math instruction cannot be managed similarly in 4th and 5th grades to allow students to move at their own pace.

I am the PP. Your response does not make sense. I was responding to this comment:

If that instruction is happening during the school day, by definition there is an available teacher and a classroom monitoring the students.

Perhaps you missed the posts from parents who said their child did the virtual compact math and there was a para in the classroom? That's not a teacher. But I think what you are saying is that a single teacher should be able to teach *both* regular grade level 5th grade math *and* compacted 5/6 math by cohorting the kids within the classroom somehow. Well, I think someone with actual math teaching experience should comment, but that seems completely nuts to me. You are comparing this to reading but don't forget that most elementary schools have rolled out an advanced ELA curriculum that is often (maybe not always) a pull-out situation, and the learners who are really behind are typically pulled out for work with a reading specialists. And ELA generally involves the same basic assignments, with advanced-reading skills kids in a different reading group but the groups come together for much of the learning.
This is not comparable to math instruction. You cannot expect a teacher to simultaneously instruct on two different sections of a 4th grade Eureka math textbook (and then a 4th and 5th grade book when the compacted students move on to the 5th grade curriculum).

Also, you just can't compare grade 4/5 math curriculum with grade 1-3 anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

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AND LET TALK about how immature kids are now anyone under 22 are still acting their age they were when they in 2020.
so 18 year old are still acting 14
and 10 year old are acting like they are 5 or 6
and 16 year old are acting like they are 11 or 12. so its scary to see them drive.
who else thinks this is okay? let hope they start maturing soon- if not they will be in their 20s acting like they are tween or teens.

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Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

I know you live on a special bubble, but many of us have to work during the day.

And are you forgetting how long PEP was effectively shut down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

If you want to understand why people have not been sympathetic to your cause, this post is a very good illustration of why. Not only do you refuse to acknowledge the negative consequences of virtual learning for many students, you continue to attack parents that were placed in impossible situations.

I understand you're upset about losing MVA, but the reality is that you and your child are going to be less impacted by that than the 160,000 students were when MCPS closed schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

You can't even get through a complete paragraph correctly, so I'm not taking your advice on education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

I know you live on a special bubble, but many of us have to work during the day.

And are you forgetting how long PEP was effectively shut down?

PEP is a different program and not part of the discussion. Many of us work and still managed just fine. Why couldn't you? You are talking about 3rd graders barely impacted. Covid is not the reason why kids are struggling. The changes in the school system, curriculum and lack of parent support are bigger issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

You can't even get through a complete paragraph correctly, so I'm not taking your advice on education.

Yawn, get off social media and help your kids. Simple. Stop blaming covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would rather have had virtual compacted math than the in-person 40-student class my kid took for 5/6 math.

because of online school learning
50% of seniors gradating from high school this year will only have 6.5 years of education.
in 6 years from now they will only have a KINDERGRADEN education.
Kids don't learn anything online. 70% of 5th grades don't know basic math skills because schools shutdown
50% of 5th graders are 60% of 4th graders don't know colors or abcs. 50% of 3rd graders don't even know how to use scissors and the other half don't know English or Spanish.
I am not sure what we are going to do for the next 12 years.
its so sad
it going to take 8 years for kids to have a real education.

Schools were not shut down, they were virtual. And, if your kids didn't do virtual school that was on you. If your kids don't have basic schools and you didn't work with them, that's on you. 3rd graders were not really impacted by covid. This isn't a covid issue.

I know you live on a special bubble, but many of us have to work during the day.

And are you forgetting how long PEP was effectively shut down?

PEP is a different program and not part of the discussion. Many of us work and still managed just fine. Why couldn't you? You are talking about 3rd graders barely impacted. Covid is not the reason why kids are struggling. The changes in the school system, curriculum and lack of parent support are bigger issues.

How has that attitude worked for you and your SaveTheMVA movement?